The analog clock puts a small circle in the menu bar with hands that move
around the circle. The The digital clock puts 4 digits there with a-colon
separating the hours from the minutes.
I had switched mine to analog probably 15 years ago, so that there would be
more space for other items in that menu. This was especially important with the
original iMac that had a much lower resolution than todays computers.
Jonathan
Best wishes,
Jonathan Cohn
> On Nov 20, 2021, at 06:40, Patrick Ford <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jonathan,
> YOu have found the anser! Thanks so much. It worked. I wonder what the
> difference is between the analog and the digital?
> Thanks again.
> Patrick
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>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 8:00 PM, Jonathan Cohn <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> If you have your clock set to be "analog", then you can not select date
>> options. I expect this is your issue. I had not seen this control panel in
>> Monterey yet, and was a bit surprised at its design.
>> Don't forget that you can use the item chooser.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Jonathan Cohn
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 14:59, Brad Snyder <[email protected]
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I find that on my Intel Mac mini, running Monterey, it makes no difference
>>> whether I interact with the table or not. Simple arrow-key navigation does
>>> the trick.
>>> Thanks Tim.
>>>
>>> - Brad -
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I’ve found that after interacting with the table, you can just use arrows
>>> without VO and you will not encounter the VO problem. Just an alternative
>>> method. It’s definitely still a bug, although with workarounds.
>>>
>>> Later…
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>>>
>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:28, Brad Snyder <[email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>> - Brad -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:51, Herbie Allen <[email protected]
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Don’t forget guys we also discussed the alternative method of navigation
>>>> without interaction. When you get to the table, do an option down aero,
>>>> then up aero and you will find the clock menu that way. VO right, and you
>>>> will see all the options for date and what not.
>>>> Herbie
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 09:56, Patrick Ford <[email protected]
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, when you get to the point in the table after interacting then you
>>>>> can use command plus down arrow and then only use the up arrow to get to
>>>>> the clock menu - it's strange but it works -
>>>>> Come and See
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>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected]
>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Brad,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, I tried your steps. I’m running Monterey. When I get to the empty
>>>>>> cell announcements, I did a VO right arrow. I never heard row 15, rather
>>>>>> row 17 which was the first numbered row spoken. So I went back two to
>>>>>> what I thought was Row 15 and heard Fast User Switching. Aside from not
>>>>>> finding the Clock option, this entire procedure seems rather
>>>>>> complicated. My one complaint about Mac software is the need to interact
>>>>>> as often as one needs to do. I did try activating items that were
>>>>>> referenced as empty cells, but again I could not activate the clock.
>>>>>> More trouble than it’s worth.
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Brad Snyder <[email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Patrick,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Assuming you are running either macOS Big Sur or Monterey, try the
>>>>>>> following, and see if it helps:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Go to System Preferences > Dock & Menu Bar.
>>>>>>> 2. Navigate to the table, and interact with the table using VO + Shift
>>>>>>> + DownArrow.
>>>>>>> 3. Once you have interacted with the table, navigate to the item
>>>>>>> labeled Clock Menu Bar, and stop interacting with the table by pressing
>>>>>>> VO + Shift + UpArrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note: There seems to be a VoiceOver issue when navigating this table
>>>>>>> with macOS Monterey, in that labels for some table items are not spoken
>>>>>>> by VoiceOver. Instead of speaking the correct label name for some
>>>>>>> items, VoiceOver may say Empty Cell, or VoiceOver may speak a row
>>>>>>> number.
>>>>>>> In any case, the Clock Menu Bar item is the 4th row from the bottom of
>>>>>>> the table, which is row 15.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Once you have stoped interacting with the table, navigate using VO
>>>>>>> + RightArrow, until you hear VoiceOver speak Clock, and then Date
>>>>>>> Options, which is followed by several items, that can be selected or
>>>>>>> unselected to suit your preferences.
>>>>>>> 5. Once you have made your selection, close the System Preferences
>>>>>>> window, and you are done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Brad -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 05:52, Patrick Ford <[email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> In the clock menu of doc and menus in system preferences I cannot make
>>>>>>> any changes. As I VO right arrow to make a change to the date and time
>>>>>>> it says it is dimmed and checked and some say dimmed and unchecked. How
>>>>>>> do I make the change I wish to make? I know there is a way to have Seri
>>>>>>> just say the time without the date mentioned.
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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