Oh, I see what you’re talking about. If I don’t use VO keys, the only thing the arrow keys do is expand and collapse the mailbox. Again, this is in Big Sur. Cheers, Donna
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net> wrote: > > After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left > Arrow keys). > If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow > keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting. > When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover > headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group. > These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver > navigation commands. > > HTH. > > > - Brad - > > > > > On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > > Hmm. Interacting, things look pretty much the same. But I have the > mailboxes expanded, so maybe that’s the difference. > Cheers, > Donna > > >> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >> >> 1. If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not >> find the category headings. If a group of mailboxes or an account is >> collapse, you will not be informed of this information. >> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list. >> I am sure you will find things you did not know were there. >> >> 2. You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and >> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation". >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread. >> >> 1. I’m still running Big Sur. I do not have to interact with the mailbox >> list, and first letter navigation works great for me. If I upgrade to >> Monterrey will those things change? >> >> 2. In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable >> conversation view? >> TIA, >> Donna >> >>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>> >>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like >>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with >>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox >>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it. >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Brad, >>> >>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one >>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s >>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud >>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big >>>> Sur. There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey. >>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top >>>> of the Mailbox list. >>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent >>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app. >>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account >>>> if you wish. >>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located >>>> on your Mac. >>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have >>>> active in your Apple Mail client. >>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described >>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + >>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list. >>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox >>>> group and each mail account.. >>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can >>>> expand it using VO + Spacebar. This action can be used to collapse any >>>> group as well. >>>> >>>> HTH. >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud <lorice...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in >>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't >>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I >>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work? >>>> >>>> thanks. >>>> Lorie >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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