Hi,

However, it is sometimes helpful to know what the visual symbols or cues are so that if a sighted person you know asks for help you can translate things into that which they would interact with and understand. I find knowing such helpful and intriguing in that context.

Take good care.

Robin


On 4/4/2022 6:53 PM, Herbie Allen wrote:
This is why I am a believer in teaching VO separat from visuals. This way, you 
learn how VO  interprets things and you don’t have to worry about differences.

On Apr 4, 2022, at 14:45, Steve Matzura <[email protected]> wrote:

My wife, who uses a Mac without VoiceOver because she can, pointed out 
something interesting today. Apparently, VO announces menu access shortcuts in 
a different order than the symbols are presented on the screen. For instance, 
in Mail, for Forward (on the Message menu) VO says Command-Shift-F, while the 
graphic shows the symbol for Shift first, then the pinwheel-like symbol for 
Command, then the F. In the thirteen years I've used VO with MacOS, starting 
with Leopard and then Snow Leopard, I've never known or noticed this. In fact, 
I've never bothered to learn the shapes of the graphic symbols for Shift (which 
I think is an up-pointing arrow), Command (the pinwheel), Option (which I think 
is a wavy line or lines), or Control (which I don't know at all). Would 
appreciate some confirmation and claraification on those. But isn't it 
interesting that VO reads them in a different order, which means it's not 
really reading anything at all--it's just reading the text from a symbols 
dictionary for certain things.


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