Hi, Donna: I do recall your problem after upgrading to IOS 16, but only because I had just started paying attention to IOS related messages on this list.
I just recently got my first iPhone, the 3rd gen Mini SE that still has a home button. It's such a foreign land still to me that I always turn back to my Android when I actually need to get something done with a mobile phone beyond just making a phone call. I'm a ways away from feeling comfortable enough with IOS to take it, rather my Android, out with me when I go out and about. Certainly, there's more learning curve to an entire new environment like iPhone, but I think we should use some of the same caution about upgrading. Too often the industry may not have tested sufficiently in advance of release, and I, myself, don't like being their test subject. To my mind this technology is here to serve us, and not us here to serve the technologies. Oh, I'm very grateful we have it. As a blind person I'm particularly glad, as I'm sure most of us are. Nevertheless, it's user first in my mind.. Best, Janina 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes: > Hi Janina, > > That’s funny. But I saw some of that when I upgraded to IOS 16, and later > when I set up my new iPhone 14 Pro. I don’t know if you remember me posting > about my new phone always starting with Samantha, despite my having selected > another voice, but somehow that just sorted itself out on its own. I don’t > get it, but I’m not going to complain. > > Your advice to upgrade on a weekend is good. That way I can at least open > all of my most commonly used apps at least once before I’m back at work. > Cheers, > Donna > > > On Oct 29, 2022, at 5:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, Donna: > > > > This is a brief follow up to my cautionary tale. I'm pleased to report > > that things have settled back to normal on my Mac Mini running Ventura. > > I've no idea why the strange behavior. I could speculate that some of > > the last steps of updating might occur when you launch a particular > > application for the first time under the new environment. For me that > > would explain what I was seeing yesterday and why things are back to > > usual today. > > > > Still, I think the moral of the story is the same. Don't do it on a > > business day when you've no time for surprises. Perhaps look for a > > couple of relatively free days like a weekend, or perhaps the upcoming > > Thanksgiving holliday (if you're in the U.S.). > > > > PS: I also got speech back on my misbehaving Airbook. I figured out to > > launch terminal and start some music playing, which I can do without > > speech from a terminal window. Thereafter the three-finger double tap > > works as expected. Go figure! > > > > Best, > > > > Janina > > > > 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes: > >> Hi Janina, > >> > >> What you describe is exactly why I often wait till summer to upgrade. > >> It’s so frustrating to be trying to get something done, and be bogged down > >> by Apple ****. I really don’t think they get that we just need things to > >> work. They can introduce whatever new feature, but if you are a busy > >> working person, you don’t necessarily have hours to sit down and read > >> about all the commands that have changed, and the different ways you have > >> to get things done. I’m not saying change is bad, but more and more I > >> feel like I need to take a few days off from life every time there’s an > >> Apple upgrade, just so I can read about how things work in the new OS. I > >> don’t have time for that. > >> Cheers, > >> Donna > >> > >>> On Oct 28, 2022, at 6:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I'm rather wishing I'd waited. I'm upgraded yesterday, so have limited > >>> experience. But I had issues just getting applications list to work as > >>> expected under Finder today--right when I didn't need the headache of > >>> systems not working as expected. > >>> > >>> Then there are those wonderful notifications wanting to inform you of > >>> all the marvelous new features, in Mail for instance. Well, I'd like to > >>> read up on those, but I was in a hurry to click a particular Zoom link > >>> that I knew was in my inbox today. So, as you can guess, reading up on > >>> new features was not timely. > >>> > >>> My very ancient, nearly ten year old Airbook had fewer issues (so far) > >>> upgrading to the latest Big Sur. Fewer issues that is until I again > >>> accidentally tripped Speech Off on the trackpad. <groan> This is a > >>> problem I encounter on that machine off and on. At the moment I don't > >>> have a braille display to resolve things. But, I'm not sure I can blame > >>> this on the Big Sur upgrade. Still, I wish I could turn that trackpad > >>> off, as one can on Windows. > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> Janina > >>> > >>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes: > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> As some of you may remember, I teach, so I am often hesitant to upgrade > >>>> my Mac during the academic year. In addition, I did not have good > >>>> experiences with upgrades to IOS 16 or Watch 9, so I’m especially > >>>> gun-shy about upgrade to Ventura? I know that everyone’s mileage may > >>>> vary, but based on your experiences thus far, should I upgrade or not? > >>>> TIA, > >>>> Donna. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac > >>>> Visionaries list. > >>>> > >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > >>>> > >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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