I get it; I’m a bookkeeper and use QuickBooks on a daily basis and they have the same issue on some tables.
Honestly I’ve been using Chrome for more and more of my needs, especially for specialized applications like that where Safari just doesn’t do a great job. I can’t switch to it 100% as there are still certain things I prefer about Safari, but I’m certainly using Chrome a lot more. > On Jun 26, 2023, at 8:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey Brandon, > > Thanks, this was really helpful. I was able to reproduce what you describe > using the Tab key and opening the site in Chrome on my Mac. It was > interesting, too. I had tried using the tab key before and not been able to > see show titles, so I must have done something differently the first time. I > was also curious as to whether the issue is a Safari problem, a site > accessibility problem, or a little of both, but I don’t know enough HTML to > evaluate it as you did. I am not trying to blame Apple, if the problem is > really poor website design. But I do think I’m seeing more of this behavior. > Cheers, > Donna > > >> On Jun 26, 2023, at 7:13 AM, Brandon Olivares <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Have you tried Chrome? I just did with that website and while it also >> doesn’t read the table, I was able to tab through and see the show titles. >> Not super convenient but it was workable. >> >> I think it comes down to the design, not necessarily the browser. I just >> looked at the HTML and honestly I’m surprised it would work on Windows at >> all. It is very poorly designed for accessibility. So I think at least some >> of the blame has to go to the designers who create these sorts of controls. >> >>> On Jun 26, 2023, at 8:04 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> No. You have to use a PC to view it. But I’ve seen this more than once - >>> enough that it’s kind of a major problem in my opinion. Not everyone owns >>> a Mac and a PC, and frankly, you shouldn’t have to to be able to read >>> information on the web. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> >>>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 5:22 PM, Herbie Allen <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wonder if it’s a graphical table rather than a plain html one? I was >>>> curious so I tried reader mode, it didn’t even see the table. Regular >>>> tables work just fine though. >>>> >>>>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 07:39, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Michael, >>>>> >>>>> For some reason, my original reply to Michael was sent via a different >>>>> address. Here it is again. >>>>> >>>>> Here’s an example of a page where I can’t read the table. You have to >>>>> scroll down a lot, but eventually, you get to a grid, which I presume >>>>> contains a list of shows on Hulu. I cannot read anything in that grid. >>>>> https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu <https://reelgood.com/tv/source/hulu> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 24, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Michael Babcock <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Donna, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll second that I have issues with tables in some instances in Safari. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would be interesting if anyone can share some site that they >>>>>> experience issues with to see if other people are, as maybe it's a >>>>>> configuration issue that some of us have not made an order to navigate >>>>>> tables. All of the tables I have problems with our internal tools that I >>>>>> cannot share access to, however, it does pop up occasionally, and this >>>>>> is what pushed me to actually purchase parallels. 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