The Take Control books do address the low vision features available on a 
Mac. However, it is not specifically targeted only for low vision users. They 
are not expensive books, so taking a risk on them to find out how in depth they 
do get is up to you. I can tell you that they do go over what is available. I 
think one of the authors does have vision issues they mention in one of the 
specific books.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
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> On Feb 9, 2024, at 12:43 PM, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
> 
> Kliph,
> 
> 
> 
> How much about VoiceOver for a low-vision user do the Take Control books 
> actually cover? VoiceOver for a non-speech/low-vision user is a vastly 
> different experience than it is for those using text-to-speech technology. 
> That is, while VO is the only link between a blind user and a Mac, a 
> partially sighted not-legally-blind user has the advantage of everything a 
> display has to offer, most of which information is non-transferable, only 
> describable, to a text-to-speech user. I need something that is specifically 
> written to teach a user how to use the visual features of VoiceOver without 
> the TTS component.
> 
> 
> 
> I remember those "More with the Mac" programs. I have the highest respect for 
> John and what he's trying to achieve with these programs, but I have two 
> fundamental objections to them: One, they're audio only, so not fit to 
> purpose--not my purpose anyway--I did say screenreader aside; two, the 
> VoiceOver audio is probably 10dB louder than the narrator, and way way too 
> fast for a beginning TTS  user. I need something that's totally visual, no 
> audio demos required. The audio component can be added later if it's needed. 
> If you're a Windows user or know something about Windows access technology, 
> think of ZoomText. It focuses (literally and figuratively) on the visual 
> display and how things thereon are presented and augmented by the software, 
> with a text-to-speech component that, while not quite as good or versatile as 
> a full-blown screenreader, is a good side-by-side companion for the user with 
> low vision which can be turned on when required but is not needed most of the 
> time.
> 
> 
> On 2/9/2024 12:03 PM, Kliph wrote:
>> You may want to try take control books. Or the below resource.
>> 
>> It’s that time of year, “More with the Mac!” This course will be teaching 
>> you the basics, how to turn on, setup, and configure settings with the 
>> VoiceOver screen reader. Email, messages, word processing, folder 
>> management, and much much more! If you took John Panarese Mac fall courses, 
>> there may be somethings you already covered, but we will dive in to other 
>> area’s that may not have been gone over yet. John’s sessions will continue 
>> in the spring, stay tuned for that announcement.
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 9, 2024, at 8:04 AM, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com> 
>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Every resource I've found for learning to use a Mac with VoiceOver is 
>>> screenreader-centric. The iBook by Tim Sniffen is hopelessly out of 
>>> date--from 2014--and there have been so many changes and enhancements to VO 
>>> since then as to make this book almost useless. It's a good book for what 
>>> it is and how old it is, but put it into the hands of a user today, and 
>>> they'll run into differences quickly, which is very confusing to a new 
>>> learner of just about anything. So, screenreader aside, I'm looking for a 
>>> good current resource for learning the features of VoiceOver written for 
>>> those with vision problems who are not legally blind but who need a little 
>>> help in that area that VoiceOver can provide--things like magnification, 
>>> zoom, putting boxes around focused items (which we know VO already does), 
>>> that sort of thing, along with all the standard VO navigation we 
>>> screenreader users already know and love, all from a visual perspective, 
>>> not an audio one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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