I'm such a regular at my Apple store, (mostly while my twelve-year-old shops
elsewhere), that they apple team usually offers me a chair when I get in front
of one of their Macs.<grin>
Carolyn
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From: marie Howarth
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: new member
They are my local apple store and I love the guys in there! Just last Monday
I popped into play with a mac. I'm planning on getting a new macbook later this
year and was playing with the track pad in the store. Always so helpful and
friendly. :)
On 15 Apr 2010, at 12:12, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
Very interesting that RNIB are offering those training days. I don't think
the NCBI (Irish equivalent) do. Referring back to a previous note on this
thread, you're quite correct that the guys at the Applestore in Manchester are
superb. I'm over there rather a lot for religious (sorry soccer!) reasons and
I pop in there pretty much every trip to play with the toys and look at the
accessories I shouldn't buy but would love to have. On each occasion I've
encountered people who knew the assistive products on macs and iPhones. Ah,
wouldn't it be nice to have a local Apple store <smile>
Cheers
Dónal
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
Sent: 15 April 2010 12:03
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: new member
I've just done a little scouting around. And I was wrong. RNIB actually
have offered training days for agencies, people with a VI and parents of
children who are have VI children. They also list the IPhone on their
accessible phones list. I guess the information has not filtered across to
their organisation who carries out the support.
So I guess they acknowledge the fact but don't shout about it.
On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:46, Rob Lambert wrote:
Very valid point, Ricardo. I agree whole heartedly.
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi,
I think it has to start with agencies for the blind and the educational
system. As an adult it's easy enough to just get up and go to an apple store,
or have the money to pay for 1 on 1 training at said apple store. But a 12
year old not so much. I think younger people must be exposed to other options.
It doesn't even have anything to do with how great Apple is. It's just
creating a market where people can obtain access to the technology they need
without selling their first born. lol. If anything, I think Apple has started
to make makers of adaptive technology squirm a bit. It becomes harder for them
to justified the cost of their products.
On Apr 15, 2010, at 6:30 AM, marie Howarth wrote:
I know in my local store, there are two designated VO trainers and
other staff constantly tell me they have played with VO on varying products. I
think where there is a demand for it it will happen. Apple is extremely
flexible. :)
On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:27, Rob Lambert wrote:
I agree. Only time will tell, of course. Who better to train people
on their products than Apple themselves? I haven't used it, but I do like their
one-to-one service, and my hope is they've set aside some staff that have been
trained in VoiceOver for us. If not, they should.
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:24 AM, marie Howarth
<[email protected]> wrote:
I think it all depends on the user and their attitude too. An
individual may hear about macs on a podcast or know of another user with a mac
who is also VI, and take themselves off to the Apple store. In manchester, I
know due to myself and a few other VI customers, most of the staff in the store
are highly familiar with voice over. As for training, I think its coming from
Apple in the near future.
On 15 Apr 2010, at 10:54, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
I'd very much doubt it Rob. I don't know what it's like in
other countries, but here in Ireland most of the trainers are actually sighted.
Macs haven't penetrated the mainstream userbase to the same extent as
windows-based Pcs. Consequently the level of knowledge among the trainers on
the actual OS itself (not including VO) is virtually non existent. The fact
that the trainers would have to go and learn an entirely new platform, and then
educate themselves in a new style of assistive technology makes it pretty
certain that the majority of blind users will be stuck with Jaws and other
badly implemented screenreaders for the foreseeable future.
It's sad, but in my opinion true that this is the case.
Dónal
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rob Lambert
Sent: 15 April 2010 10:47
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: new member
Who here thinks we'll see the Mac replacing PCs in AT training
offices?
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Joe Plummer
<[email protected]> wrote:
For other A T you can run boot camp or virtual windows to use
them.
Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anne
Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 5:46 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: new member
Hello Denise,
I hope the word processor you are thinking of getting is
iWork09, since MS
Office for Mac is not accessible.
As for Word documents of almost any level, TextEdit or Pages
will read these
just fine.
I can't answer any of your other questions having never been
a Windows user.
Cheers,
Anne
On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:27 PM, denise avant wrote:
> hello,
> after having my iphone for six months now, i have really
enjoyed my
experience with apple. To that end, i am looking into
purchasing a mac book
pro. In fact, i called for some specs today and have set one
with 4 gig of
ram, and a 320 hard drive, 13 in screen. again this is just a
possiblity.
> i will also have the word processor included. i will also
have the
one-to-one training as there is a nearby apple store in
chicago.
> i am curious as to what those of you who own macs have done
about your
other windows based adatpive equipment, duxbury, openbook or
k1000 and hw
stream companion? how easy is it to move ms word 2003 2007
docs over to
apple macs, still keep the formatting or move them back again?
> I thought of just keeping my netbook or sony machine for
these purposes.
there was also the idea given to me that i could have windows
on one side
and the mac on the other side. any thoughts on these
questions would be
apprciated.
>
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