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Adium is a chat application where you can connect to another chat user and then type messages back and forth in real time. There are a number of chat services like AIM or MSN Messenger which have their own clients but Adium is more universal in that it connects to numerous different services. Of course you will need to create an account on each of those to use it with more than one. CB [email protected] wrote: > Hi: > I was wondering what is Adium? And, Michael did you mean just the VO > keys: cntl/option, rather than command option? Thanks. > Carolyn > On Apr 25, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > >> I use a windows live messenger account with adium. It is available >> onthe account types. >> On 2010-04-25, at 11:02 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >> >>> Hello Kerie, >>> >>> While I can't answer your question about instant messaging, perhaps >>> I can help out with the others. Like several people I know, I use >>> both Windows as well as Mac OS Snow Leopard. Please find my answers >>> below each question. >>> >>> >>> On 2010-04-24 21:05, Kerie doyle wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I a very new mac and voice over user, I just had some questions. >>>> >>>> First, about mail. I have not set up mail yet, as I wanted to ask >>>> some advice. I have a Gmail account, and know from reading, that >>>> you may set up Gmail to work in apple mail using either pop or >>>> imap, I just wondering, does it make a difference in terms of voice >>>> over, whether I use pop or imap? >>>> >>> I don't think it does, Kerie. While I use IMAP with my Gmail >>> account, I have never heard anything to the effect that POP wouldn't >>> work. >>>> >>>> Next, are the mail boxes which can be created in apple mail meant >>>> to be used as substitutes for folders like those which can be >>>> created in outlook using windows, say for lists? And if I >>>> subscribed to many lists, can I, and do I, need to create rules so >>>> the messages from lists go to the mail boxes, and don just go to my >>>> inbox? >>>> >>> Mail lets you create mailboxes into which you can organize >>> materials. You can create rules to automatically have specific >>> messages placed in specific mailboxes or, alternatively, you can >>> manually move them to these mailboxes from the inbox. >>>> >>>> Next, when it comes to instant messaging, can aidium connect to >>>> windows live, or am I best installing windows live for Mac, which I >>>> believe, correct me if I wrong, is available from Microsoft? >>>> >>> This was the question I couldn't answer. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And lastly, for now, is there a way to find out the title of a >>>> window, like in jaws for windows? >>>> >>> Kerie, using the Voice Over keys (Command Option) along with F2 >>> tells you the title of the window that you are currently in. This >>> command works very well in the Mail program. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope you all won mind me asking what could be considered by some >>>> as silly questions, but like I say, I very new to apple and voice >>>> over, so just thought someone might give me some advice. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any help in advance, >>>> >>>> Kerie >>>> >>>> Kerie, the more I use the Mac, the more I like it! 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To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. --------------090206030507020206080107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content=3D"text/html;charset=3Dwindows-1252" http-equiv=3D"Content-Type"> </head> <body bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000"> Didn't notice a direct answer to this. Adium is a chat application where you can connect to another chat user and then type messages back and forth in real time. There are a number of chat services like AIM or MSN Messenger which have their own clients but Adium is more universal in that it connects to numerous different services. Of course you will need to create an account on each of those to use it with more than one. <br> <br> CB<br> <br> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]= om</a> wrote: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:[email protected]" type=3D"cite">Hi: <div>I was wondering what is Adium? =A0And, Michael did you mean just the VO keys: cntl/option, rather than command option? =A0Thanks.</div> <div>Carolyn<br> <div> <div>On Apr 25, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote:</div> <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div style=3D"">I use a windows live messenger account with adium. It is available onthe account types.<br> <div> <div>On 2010-04-25, at 11:02 AM, Michael Busboom wrote:</div> <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" text=3D"#000000">Hello Kerie,<br> <br> While I can't answer your question about instant messaging, perhaps I can help out with the others.=A0 Like several people I know, I use both Windows as well as Mac OS Snow Leopard.=A0 Please find my answers below each question.<br> =A0<br> <br> On 2010-04-24 21:05, Kerie doyle wrote: <blockquote cite=3D"mid:f03b2c8bf62c4368b187af6ef2342...@kersnetbook" type=3D"cite"> <style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-compose; font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} @page Section1 {size:612.0pt 792.0pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div class=3D"Section1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Hi all, <o:p= ></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">I a very new mac and voice over user, I just had some questions. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">First, about mail. I have not set up mail yet, as I wanted to ask some advice. I have a Gmail account, and know from reading, that you may set up Gmail to work in apple mail using either pop or imap, I just wondering, does it make a difference in terms of voice over, whether I use pop or imap?</span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> I don't think it does, Kerie. While I use IMAP with my Gmail account, I have never heard anything to the effect that POP wouldn't work.<br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:f03b2c8bf62c4368b187af6ef2342...@kersnetbook" type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"Section1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Next, are the mail boxes which can be created in apple mail meant to be used as substitutes for folders like those which can be created in outlook using windows, say for lists? And if I subscribed to many lists, can I, and do I, need to create rules so the messages from lists go to the mail boxes, and don just go to my inbox?</span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> Mail lets you create mailboxes into which you can organize materials.=A0 You can create rules to automatically have specific messages placed in specific mailboxes or, alternatively, you can manually move them to these mailboxes from the inbox.<br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:f03b2c8bf62c4368b187af6ef2342...@kersnetbook" type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"Section1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Next, when it comes to instant messaging, can aidium connect to windows live, or am I best installing windows live for Mac, which I believe, correct me if I wrong, is available from Microsoft?</span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> This was the question I couldn't answer.<br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:f03b2c8bf62c4368b187af6ef2342...@kersnetbook" type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"Section1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=A0</o:= p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">And lastly, for now, is there a way to find out the title of a window, like in jaws for windows?</span></font></p> </div> </blockquote> Kerie, using the Voice Over keys (Command Option) along with F2 tells you the title of the window that you are currently in. This command works very well in the Mail program.<br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:f03b2c8bf62c4368b187af6ef2342...@kersnetbook" type=3D"cite"> <div class=3D"Section1"> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p>= </span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=A0</o:= p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">I hope you all won mind me asking what could be considered by some as silly questions, but like I say, I very new to apple and voice over, so just thought someone might give me some advice. <o:p></o= :p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Thanks for any help in advance, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" lang=3D"EN-GB">Kerie<o:p></= o:p></span></font></p> </div> Kerie, the more I use the Mac, the more I like it!=A0 I hope that you have a similar experience.</blockquote> <br> Best regards,<br> <br> Mike<br> <br> <blockquote cite=3D"mid:f03b2c8bf62c4368b187af6ef2342...@kersnetbook" type=3D"cite">-- <br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.<br> To post to this group, send email to <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>macvisionar...@googlegroup= s.com</a>.<br> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>macvisionaries= [email protected]</a>.<br> For more options, visit this group at <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=3Den";>http://grou= ps.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=3Den</a>.<br> </blockquote> <br> <br> </div> <div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"> </div> -- <br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.<br> To post to this group, send email to <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>macvisionar...@googlegroup= s.com</a>.<br> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>macvisionaries= [email protected]</a>.<br> For more options, visit this group at <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=3Den";>http://grou= ps.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=3Den</a>.<br> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> <div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"> </div> -- <br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.<br> To post to this group, send email to <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>macvisionar...@googlegroup= s.com</a>.<br> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>macvisionaries= [email protected]</a>.<br> For more options, visit this group at <a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=3Den";>http://grou= ps.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=3Den</a>.<br> </blockquote> </div> <br> </div> -- <br> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group.<br> To post to this group, send email to <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]";>macvisionar...@googlegroups= .com</a>.<br> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:macvisionaries+unsubsc= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>.<br> For more options, visit this group at <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/m= acvisionaries?hl=3Den">http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=3De= n</a>.<br> </blockquote> </body> </html> <p></p> -- <br /> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= MacVisionaries" group.<br /> To post to this group, send email to [email protected].<br /> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@go= oglegroups.com.<br /> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvis= ionaries?hl=3Den.<br /> --------------090206030507020206080107-- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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