Hi.  Oh outspoken was a fantastic screen reader.  My first computer was a
Mac 2SI which was a great little box for my needs at the time.  I used that
through high school and have fond memories of it.  that reminds me.  I
haven't used claris works since 1999.  I wonder what ever happened to that
package/company...

Unfortunetly, I had to become a windows convert when I started college but
that is another story.  Anyways, that old Mac 2SI was more stable than any
windows machine I owned that's for sure.

Cameron.




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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:49 PM
To: list voiceover
Subject: Re: an Imac and voiceover?

This is, indeed, a fun topic! I am a complete Apple enthusiast, and I wasn't
fully aware of all that the older macs could do until this thread! :)
Do you guys remember the old Apple 2E computer? With the floppy disks?  I
had one of those until middle school, reluctantlyy moved to windows for a
while, and eagerly jumped back to the mac when my PC died and leopard came
out.  
I seem to remember playing with outspoken a few times at school, but I had
no idea it was capable of so much until recently. Thanks, Karen, for
posting.  I couldn't agree with you more about Apple's innovation and how
Apple really reaches out to all consumers!
Olivia
"Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower",  Steve Jobs

On May 18, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> this is a fun topic.
> I invite you to think about computers slightly differently, say like a
mode of transportation.
> There are some who do not feel their needs are met unless they are zipping
along on the super highway with the most recent off the showroom floor.
> There are others, who will pay thousands of dollars to drive say a vintage
roles Royce.  That vintage machine cost more because of its value to that
individual, but its worth it to them, because it  gets the job done as they
define it.
> I tend to base all of my computer use, I dare say my technology use in
general,  on getting the job done consistently with few issues.  Indeed I
chose to maintain older mac structures since it was what I required to get
the job done at a desired level, meaning I could provide my various
audiences with quality storytelling.
>  Therefore to me, there is nothing outdated about this technology, no more
than say the above mentioned Roles.
> However, this is me, and what I define as tool need not be  the same for
you.   I raised eyebrows at Cameron's" open doors for us," idea because this
suggest that everyone here uses technology just the same,  that they
experience things as a one size fits all fashion, and for the same reasons.
Our very discussion illustrates this is not true, and frankly I respect you
too much as an individual, respect everyone too much to deny them their
unique needs and tastes by thinking you have to do things the way I do them,
smiles.    To you, my setup is outdated technology.
> For me it is the right tool, and will continue to be the right tool, until
it can no longer allow me to do my craft.
> as for how apple has met the needs of professionals like me, I invite you
to review the history of apple's screen reading efforts  and say the windows
screen reading history to compare.
> I think that speaks for itself.
> Thanks for the exchange,
> Karen
> 
> On Tue, 18 May 2010, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
> 
>> You said:
>> now now, technology is only doorstop material when it no longer serves
>> its function.
>> I agree with this and own several older macs myself. However, people
>> (Not you poticually, just people in general) should be realistic about
>> what there hardware can and can not do.
>> pt has been accessible for years, so I do not understand this door
concept.
>> Yes, it is accessible if you choos to stick with an older version,
>> running on old hardware with outdated assistive technology.
>> I have  made a lot of radio and money with my use of pro tools with
>> outspoken, so have others.  If this were not true apple would not
>> invest in reaching these professionals.
>> Perhaps I'm missing something, but what has apple done at all to reach
>> professionals like yourself? Surely if they have done anything, you
>> wouldn't have to be using the hardware and software that you do?
>> 
>> On 18/05/2010, Dan Eickmeier <va3...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> , I've got an intel iMac which I got in 2007, and it's working just
fine.
>>> But if your iMac you have is a power PC one, such as a g3, or g4, you're
not
>>> going to be able to.  THe latest OS that you'll be able to, would be
Tiger.
>>> On May 17, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> anyone running a voiceover solid os x edition on an imac?
>>>> will send the data specifics if that Will help.
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Karen
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