I was also going to say that command-option-d does nothing for me either. On Jun 3, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> and anothe rkeystroke you can use is control f2. thats the one I've been > using. I did not know about the command option d. and in my case it does not > work. > > Take care. > > S > On Jun 3, 2010, at 12:04 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hi Carolyn, >> >> I guess what I'm saying is that VO doubles up a lot of commands. For >> example, to go to the dock voiceover trains you to press control option D. >> In fact, mac OS 10.6 snowleopard has a built in command to focus the dock, >> command option d. >> >> If you do >> not >> have keyboard commander turned on, press command and option with your right >> hand, and tap d, and you will hear dock and whatever dock icon you have >> focussed. >> >> My point is, why do we need two ways to do so many things? Wouldn't it be >> better if we taught the mac OS way of accomplishing something and dispensed >> with a lot of duplicated effort? If we didn't have a voiceover key to go to >> the dock, then we could use control option D to read the time and date. >> Then we wouldn't need keyboard commander to accomplish this. I have >> keyboard commander turned on, and it's no great hardship. But it would be a >> lot more comfortable for me to use command option D to go to the desktop >> since I have both a command and an option on the right hand side of my >> keyboard. I can't do this though, because my right option key is dedicated >> to the keyboard commander. >> >> It works, but doesn't it seem just a little counter intuitive? >> >> Best, >> Erik Burggraaf >> User support consultant, >> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >> Toll-free: 888-255-5194 >> >> On 2010-06-03, at 1:45 PM, Carolyn wrote: >> >>> Erik: >>> Are you saying they could integrate Vo into the OS so that more commands >>> are universal to the system? Carolyn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: erik burggraaf >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:43 AM >>> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac >>> >>> Well, actually, there are a huge array of mac operating system keys that >>> have been replaced by voiceover keys, or at least supplanted. Most of >>> these don't require the control key, so you are not limitted to the left >>> hand. I quite honestly wish voiceover would drop a lot of it's baggage and >>> teach mac OS more through it's help system. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> User support consultant, >>> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>> Toll-free: 888-255-5194 >>> >>> On 2010-06-02, at 7:33 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: >>> >>>> I've also found my self playing finger twister with the left hand. If I >>>> could find any faults with VO it would be that there are often two many >>>> keys included in keyboard combinations, but I suppose there's no help for >>>> it. LOL!!! >>>> On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Carolyn wrote: >>>> >>>>> Erik: >>>>> Thanks for this, even though it was in response to Mark. I've wondered >>>>> about but been afraid to mess with Cursor wrapping. >>>>> I've also often wished I had 6 or 8 fingers on my left hand!:) >>>>> TC >>>>> >>>>> Carolyn >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: erik burggraaf >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 3:05 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: Getting Out of the Box on the Mac >>>>> >>>>> Hi Mark, The elegant way to do this is to check the box to rap the >>>>> voiceover curser. Then when you reach the bottom or end of a dialog box, >>>>> pressing vo right arrow will take you right back to the top. Similarly, >>>>> if you are at the top, pressing vo left arrow will take you to the bottom. >>>>> >>>>> The inelegant way to do this is by pressing... are you ready for this? >>>>> Control, option, shift, fn, left arrow to go to the top, >>>>> and Control, option, shift, fn, right arrow to go to the bottom. >>>>> See I knew you werent' ready. Don't try to finess this, just mash down >>>>> the whole bottom left of your keyboard pretty much and giver with the >>>>> arrow keys. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> >>>>> Erik Burggraaf >>>>> User support consultant, >>>>> Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com >>>>> Toll-free: 888-255-5194 >>>>> >>>>> On 2010-06-02, at 4:43 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, so I'm interacting with elements in the VoiceOver Dialog Box. >>>>>> Eventually, my VoiceOver cursor lands on the Help button at the lower >>>>>> right >>>>>> of the Dialog Box. >>>>>> >>>>>> Until now, I have to continuously press VoiceOver Left-Arrow until I >>>>>> reach a >>>>>> place, like a Tab, where I can stop interacting with the current area. >>>>>> That >>>>>> is to say, I cannot stop interacting when I first land on the Help >>>>>> button. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, my question: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a way to stop interacting or immediately jump back up to the >>>>>> beginning of a Dialog Box with VoiceOver? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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