if you are talking about the nls players, the sleep button will shut
off after 15, 30, 45, or 60 minutes depending on how many times you
press it. hope that helps, max
On Jun 28, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Sleep button for audiobooks? What does this do?
On Jun 28, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
Bryan, owning a VRS and a Book SEnse, I adamantly concur. Yeah, I
know it's gadget overload, but I'll never need to buy a car with
said payments being more than the price of one of these gadgets
every month. I suppose that's how I justify the expense.
LOL!!!!! I have put audiobooks on my iPod Touch, but I still enjoy
listening to them on the Stream or Book Sense more. Like you, I
can also operate these gadgets flawlessly while half asleep. As
a matter of fact, I don't believe there is a designated sleep
button on the iPod Touch or the iPhone for use while listening to
books which, for me, is a necessity.
Choice is the key here though. Different strokes for different
folks!
n Jun 27, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Bryan Smart wrote:
Well, a Windows user might say that they can purchase a computer,
far more powerful than your Mac, and for less money, so why waste
money on a Mac? Or many people wonder why people bother buying
iPhones, when the new Android phones far outclass the iPhone in
terms of specs and open operation? Cost isn't always the point,
though.
I don't want to sound like I'm down on them making this program. I
might buy it. Actually, I wonder why I'm arguing this on a
listserv, anyway. I know that many blind tech people are rightly
down on some of the over-priced specialized blindness gadgets.
But, seriously, this isn't a $5,000 note taker. Most of the book
readers aren't much more than $300. That is damn cheap for a
device that is optimized to be controlled with buttons and speech
feedback, rather than using touch-screen gestures to review and
control a visually-optimized interface. You're waiting for NLS
support, which they may never provide. Meanwhile, the Stream works
with NLS, RFB&D, newsline, practically all other major talking
book libraries in the world, DVS movies from places like SamNet,
plays Daisy audio books in both MP3 and 3GP audio formats (which
this probably won't ever play, so probably no NLS support), plays
commercial audio books (including Audible), plays books that you
rip from CD yourself as books with all book features (bookmarks,
notes, highlighting, etc) still in effect (not just loading MP3s
in to a media player), reads Daisy books in text format, reads
HTML and plane text with full book navigation and note taking
features, plays MP3, OGG, and uncompressed music, and a bunch of
other stuff, for 15+ hours at a stretch (no add-on battery pack
required), for $300. And it operates so simply that you don't need
hardly any sort of instruction to use it, and, without even using
this app, I can state with certainty that no iPhone app is ever
going to allow me to zip through menus like I can on a dedicated
device. I can work it half asleep, which I often do. These little
devices are really something for $300. So, just like getting a Mac
instead of Windows, or an iPhone instead of a Droid, you're buying
it not because it's the rock-bottom option in terms of cost, but
because of the optimized user experience, and the fact that it
just works.
Anyway, all this to make the point that, regardless of software,
my prediction is that, with no dedicated hardware for decrypting
books, and no hardware support for decoding the audio formats that
some of them use, all of that will be running in software,
constantly running the CPU at max, sucking down battery power, and
you'll be lucky to get 4 hours out of a stock battery before the
phone goes from full charge to fully dead. Maybe a battery pack
could stretch it to 8. Even so, it will support far less content,
and the interface will be far slower to operate. I don't think
that translates in to a good book player. I hope that they can
prove me wrong.
I'd probably be willing to trade off some of the stream's long run-
time and sacrifice its great interface, if the iPhone app would
actually do more than a digital book player. Right now it does
less in every regard. What I'd like to see is this app become a
blind version of Netflix, offering content on demand. If you could
start this reader app, and browse/stream content from various
providers like the talking book libraries, Bookshare, etc, then
I'd consider it superior. That would also get rid of the whole
overhead of having to make sure your phone and computer are on the
same Wi-Fi network (this isn't always possible), and upload books
to your phone over FTP. Basically, these guys should stop trying
to think about how to port a desktop Daisy book reader to the
iPhone, which is what they've done so far, and start thinking of
this like a rich client, which is how most all of the other media
apps on the iPhone operate. Just imagine how not fun Netflix would
be if you had to log on from your PC, find and download a movie,
get your phone and PC on the same hotspot, and upload the movie to
your phone. There is no way most people would bother with that.
They want to have an impulse like "hey, I'd sure like to watch an
episode of Family Guy or see what new documentaries are out from
the Discovery Channel", bring up the app, type in a search query,
and tap play. All of that stuff with using a PC and re-uploading
files takes all of the spontaneousness out of finding something
entertaining to enjoy while you have some down time, and turns it
in to a project.
Anyway, here's hoping we get a BlindFlix, or AudioZone, or
something for audio what Netflix is for video and the general
population. The person that makes that will have my money for sure!
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
] On Behalf Of Scott Howell
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for
iPhone
Personally I would not spend the money on a Victor Stream or any
other product, if I can get an app for the iPhone. I still have
hope that something may be done to play NLS content for example on
the iPhone and it is still a possibility. The point is I could
purchase the best possible battery pack and still spend less money
then if I purchased one of the accessible book reading devices.
Sure you would not one to drain your communications device down
since having it always ready to communicate is important, but
there are always at least two solutions to every problem.
On Jun 26, 2010, at 3:39 AM, Chris Moore wrote:
What reader do you have? Well this may be a good app for the
iPod Touch which still works out cheaper then the Victor Stream.
On 26 Jun 2010, at 07:47, Bryan Smart wrote:
Maybe it's how you read books.
I read the most when I'm traveling. A book is a great way to
pass the time on a plane, in a terminal, or on a bus. I like the
entertainment of a book, but would not want to risk draining
down my phone, which I'd certainly need during, and more
importantly toward the end, of my trip. Some days I spend 8 to
10 hours traveling. Even with a battery pack I seriously doubt
that an iPhone could read books for that long, and still have
enough charge left for important calls, GPS, and e-mail. If you
only occasionally read books, and for short periods of time, the
app would probably work out great. I read a lot! While
traveling, while doing laundry, sometimes when eating, when
going to sleep, etc. I'd kill an iPhone battery.
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ricardo
Walker
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 2:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for
iPhone
Hi,
I personally would find that of little concern. It would just
be 1 less thing to carry and 1 less thing to spend money on.
Those things out way a 15 hour battery life in my opinion. It's
kind of silly to compare. The iPhone does more so should have
lower battery time. And the IOS 4 update has fixed the standby
bug so many people are having more than double the battery life
than they had pre update.
On Jun 25, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Bryan Smart wrote:
Well, nice as it is, a Victor stream will play for 15 hours or
more on a single charge. How long do you think that your iPhone
will play?
Bryan
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:40 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: macvoiceover
Subject: Re: Answering a few questions about Daisy Bookworm for
iPhone
Sounds great and at such a low price too (don't think I will be
buying a victor stream now). tHIS ftp thing, is there no way
you could add support for iDisk for those of us who have it?
That might be much easier then establishing a FTP connection.
Seems like this year might be the start of many good accessible
apps
for the iPhone
Is there anything on the iPhone that reads MS Word documents
via VoiceOver?
On 24 Jun 2010, at 09:38, Greg Kearney wrote:
I'll try and answer a few questions that have come up about
Daisy
Bookworm for iPhone
Loading Books
Loading books is done via an FTP connection between your
computer and the iPhone Daisy Bookworm has a built in FTP
server which you connect to and then upload the book's
directory to the phone using any FTP client on any computer.
Needless to say you need a wireless network to connect the
phone to. You do not need your own FTP server, Daisy Bookworm
has a built in FTP server.
Book compatibility
Daisy Bookworm for iPhone will read any audio only and full
text full audio unencrypted DAISY book. This includes books
from Association for the Blind of Western Australia, Vision
Australia, RNZFB, CNIB, RNIB, TPB and most other world talking
book libraries. It will not read NLS encrypted books. We have
asked the NLS about how to have these devices authorised but
have yet to receive any reply. We are working on RFB&D
playback and text only DAISY playback (Bookshare) in the next
release.
Accessibility
Daisy Bookworm for iPhone is fully accessible with VoiceOver
screen reader.
iPad
Daisy Bookworm is compatible with the Apple iPad.
Where do you get Daisy Bookworm
Daisy Bookworm will be available this summer from the iTunes
App Store. It will cost less than $5 when released.
Is this Voice of Daisy
No. Voice of Daisy or VOD is a different program from a
different developer in Japan.
Hope this clears things up.
Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media Association for the
Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979
| 61
Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
Email: [email protected]
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