Thanks Esther - this is a big help, and what I was looking for! I'm heartened to learn that someone is compiling a guide, and I was pleased to see Hadley jumping in with a course. And somehow I missed your wonderful post from a couple of months ago, so I appreciate you sending it again. Finally, thanks Erik for the Applevis info, and bravo for those breakthrough moments! May we all have them early and often, cathyk
On Oct 5, 12:31 pm, Esther <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Erik, Cathy, Isaac, and Others, > > First a correction to the link I gave Erik. The accessible HTML > version of the iPhone 4 manual is at: > > http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en > > The accessible HTML version of the iPhone 3 manual (for those who did > not upgrade to iOS 4) is at: > > http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en > > I copied this incorrectly from a post to the viphone list. Apple has > been changing the address format for the accessible HTML version for > iOS4, so that there are versions for different languages indicated by > the two letter code at the end. The "en" for the English version is > what I left off. There are now accessible HTML versions in languages > corresponding to two letter codes for "fr" for French, "es" for > Spanish, "de" for German, "it" for Italian, "nl" for Dutch, "el" for > Greek, "pt" for Portuguese, "ja" for Japanese, "ko" for Korean, "da" > for Danish, "sv" for Swedish, "no" for Norwegian, "fi" for Finnish, > "hu" for Hungarian, "id" for Indonesian, "lt" for Lithuanian, "pl" for > Polish, "ro" for Romanian, "sk" for Slovak, "bg" for Bulgarian, "tr" > for Turkish, and probably others. > > I should mention that these appear to be converted from the PDF > versions of the user guides found in:http://support.apple.com/manuals/ > > Some of the characters are still odd, and they look in the state that > the English version of the iPhone users guide for iOS 4 looked, > shortly before its release. > > Anyway, for the English iPhone User Guide (iOS 4), the chapter on > accessibility starts > at:http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e2c13.html > > and the section specifically about VoiceOver starts > at:http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/iph3e2e4218.html > > (You might want to start reading one level higher under Accessibility > for information about low vision usage settings, or if you also have > hearing disabilities). What I did when I got my iPod Touch was > create a link to this section of the User Guide on my home page for > easy reference. After you open the section of the guide you want to > link in Safari (on your iPhone or iPod Touch), double tap the > "Utilities" button at the bottom of the screen, just above the "Home" > button. You'll hear VoiceOver announce the first utilities option, > "Add Bookmark, button". Flick right (or run your finger vertically > down the bottom half of the screen to hear the options) to the "Add to > Home Screen Button", and double tap. Then whenever you need to access > the manual to review the descirption of gestures, keyboard shortcuts, > text entry, etc. you can just double tap the icon on your home screen > to bring up this section in Safari. > > Richard Turner (on the viphone list) also converted a copy of the PDF > version of the iPhone User Guide to Word format. The direct link to > the zipped document is: > > http://www.turner42.com/iPhone_iOS41_User_Guide.zip > > For iPad users there is a free ePub version of the iPad User Guide in > the iBook store (but no user guides for the iPhone or iPod Touch there > yet). > > In addition to the Tech Doctor podcast and Mike Arrigo's podcasts on > the iPod Touch on Blind Cool Tech that cathyk mentioned, there are > some some other resources like Mark Taylor's Candleshore Blog and > Podcast, which had a lot of entries when everyone was getting started > a year ago, including some keyboard entry demos. Apart from the > AppleVis site, I'd mention Vision Australia. > > I'll paste in a post I made to the mac-access list 2 months ago in > response to a new user query for more iPhone resources: > <begin quote> > Hi Paul, > > I'll add a few other suggested sites. To follow up on Chris' > suggestion the general Vision Australia link that I posted last month > is:http://www.adaptive-tech.org/ess/html/ > > There's both general information on the iPhone and iPod Touch, and > also about the new iOS 4 updates (that added features such as touch > typing, the language rotor, application switching, unified mailboxes, > new gestures, ability to lock portrait mode, phonetic pronunciation, > support for more Bluetooth devices including Braille devices, iBooks, > and a number of other things). > > The Hadley School for the Blind did a seminar on "Using Apple's iPhone > and iTouch" last Spring. Their web site has the seminar mp3 files and > a resource page that lists many of the older podcasts (such as Mike's > earlier podcast on Blind Cool > Tech):http://www.hadley.edu/2_f_past_seminars.asp > > The Serotalk podcasts have kept pretty up to date coverage on the > iPhone and iPod Touch:http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/serotalk/id349813889 > Web pages at:http://serotalk.com/ > > The Mac-cessibility Network - News > podcastshttp://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=2790... > Also check the web site for > tips:http://www.lioncourt.com/category/quick-tips-iphone/ > And especially for the list of accessible iPhone/iPod Touch > apps:http://www.lioncourt.com/voiceover-compatible-iphone-applications/ > > I'd give you the Apple link for the current iOS 4 iPhone User Guide, > but it seems to have disappeared in the last few days. The old HTML > manuals and demos are: > • HTML manuals for the iPhone and iPod Touch. I bookmark links to > both the full iPhone manual (first entry) and the accessibility > section (second entry) on the Safari app for my iPod Touch. > > http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en/ > > http://help.apple.com/iphone/3/voiceover/en/iphddd0e033.html > > • A video demo of using the iPhone 3GS with VoiceOver > > http://www.apple.com/iphone/iphone-3gs/accessibility.html#video > > The PDF version of the current iPhone User Guide is at: > > http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/iPhone_iOS4_User_Guide.pdf > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > <end quote> > > Anna Dresner and Dean Martineau (on the viphone list) are writing a > guide to the iPhone for VoiceOver users. If cathyk listened to the > Tech Doctor podcast interview with Anna, she'll have heard this > mentioned. > > Dean Martineau did a nice Blind Cool Tech podcast on rearranging the > Home screen, and also a nice podcast on the iPhone at the beginning of > the year: > > > • Dean Martineau's Accessible World Tek Talk podcast on the iPhone > > (January 11, 2010) > >http://www.accessibleworld.org/ > > Type in "Dean iPhone" into the search field, since the direct link > > URL address is very long. This is a 2 hour demo of the iPhone and > > some of its applications (both default and third-party). > > Isaac, can't you send your PDF to TextEdit by using a services menu > shortcut? (This assumes that the PDF is not protected.) You should > be able to do this by enabling the "New TextEdit Window Containing > Selection" services option. Go to System Preferences > Keyboard > > Keyboard Shortcuts and then select "Preferences". Then check the > shortcut you want to use -- in this case, "New TextEdit Window > Containing Selection" from the TextEdit services. I think you are > prompted to set this up if the service option you want is not there, > and can do this as follows: > > 1. Open your document in Preview > 2. Select what you want (or use Command+A to select all) > 3. Go to the Preview menu and right arrow to the services menu > 4. If the service you want is not there, go to "services preferences" > 5. This opens the keyboard shortcuts tab of system preferences and > places you in the shortcuts tab where you select the "services > category" and can assign this TextEdit service option. > > "New TextEdit Window Containing Selection" will send your selected > text to a TextEdit window. The selection can be done in a Safari > browser as well as in Preview. > > Also, I'm not sure whether cathyk was speaking of the iPod Touch or > macvisionaries for a wiki, but she might also take a look at: > > http://icanworkthisthing.com/ > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 5, 2010, at 06:04, Isaac Obie wrote:> Hi all, > > Bookshare has many of David Pogue's books, but I am not finding any > > of them useful at all. I see no mention of voiceOver in them at all. > > I find them boring and really useless. the best I've found thus far > > is that voiceOver getting started manual or user guide and that's > > really a feference more than a manual. > > I wish there was an easy way to convert pdf files to text.... > > Isaac > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "cathyk" <[email protected]> > > To: "MacVisionaries" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 11:49 AM > > Subject: Re: voiceover manual for IOS4? > > > Dear All, > > I agree with Erik: where is David Pogue's blind twin brother who could > > write us a "missing manual" for vo? Is there a way to create a > > macvisionaries wiki where people could contribute to a set of how- > > to's, maybe by beginning with a list of FAQs? I realize that > > macvisionaries archives probably contains a lot of valuable info, but > > wouldn't it be great to have the wisdom collected in one place and > > updated? I'd be happy to help in such an effort, with my main > > contribution being an endless string of pathetic newbie questions. > > But we all have to start somewhere, right? > > > For more immediate help, Robert Carter of the Tech Doctor podcasts > > directed me to Mike Arrigo's podcasts on the ipod touch and vo at > > Blind Cool Tech:http://www.blindcooltech.com/ > > > Best, > > cathyk > > > On Oct 5, 7:58 am, erik burggraaf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks Esther, > > >> You wrote: > > >> The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide > >> (that you can access from anywhere) is > >> at:http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/ > >> This seems to be what I'm after, but it renders a page not found > >> error. > > >> I did some googling and found a snippit of documentation which > >> basicly outlined the voiceover gestures and nothing else. I have so > >> many very basic newbie questions that any public forum will soon > >> grow weary of answering them, so maybe I will try for the PDF manual. > > >> Thanks, > > >> Erik Burggraaf > >> User support consultant, > >> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or > >> in person, > >> 1-888-255-5194http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > >> On 2010-10-03, at 8:07 PM, Esther wrote: > > >> > Hi Erik, > > >> > There are two places to check for a manual on the iPod Touch. > >> First, > there should be an iPod Touch User's Guide listed under > >> the Safari > bookmarks of your iPod Touch. If you synched your > >> bookmarks and overrode > the default definitions you can add the URL: > >> >http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/ > >> > to your bookmarked locations (you only need to type in > > >> "help.apple.com/ipodtouch/" and this address only works from an > >> iPhone > or iPod Touch. Anywhere else (on an iPad, or on your > >> computer), you'll > be taken to the Apple Support pages where you > >> can find some link to a > PDF version of the user guides. > > >> > The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide > >> (that > you can access from anywhere) is at: > >> >http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/ > >> > (There's no special accessible HTML version for just the parts > >> that > works for the iPod Touch) > > >> > Also, note the AppleVis web site for more information: > >> >http://applevis.com/ > > >> > A nice summary of the iOS 4 Apple Keyboard shortcuts may be found > >> at: > >> >http://www.hllf.net/70 > >> > if you use a Bluetooth keyboard with your iPod Touch. > > >> > HTH. Cheers, > > >> > Esther > > >> > On Oct 3, 2010, erik burggraaf wrote: > > >> >> OK guys, I've got my first ipod touch here. I can navigate > >> around the >> screen, open apps and folders, sort of type on the > >> slide type keyboard >> and so on. Not bad for an hour or two > >> fiddling, but I need a manual or >> something, even if it stinks > >> like the voiceover manual for Mac OS 10.6. >> Anybody know where I > >> can get this? > > >> >> Thanks, > > >> >> Erik Burggraaf > >> >> User support consultant, > >> >> One on one access technology support and training over the phone > >> or in >> person, > >> >> 1-888-255-5194 > >> >>http://www.erik-burggraaf.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
