Nic, From what I recall David wanted to know how well the Mac would function in the case of his particular situation. Most the messages I have read on this thread answered how some people experienced with screen magnification etc. True some have made suggestions/comments who really had no experience and make assumptions. I agree he does need to explore all possible options, but I would not view most of the comments as pushing VO on him either.
On Oct 8, 2010, at 4:30 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Ricardo, > > I agree here. This sounds a lot more like pier pressure as opposed to simply > helping out. While I'm sure David appreciates the help and opinions of > everyone here, I don't think he needs to have a single solution thrust in his > face, especially not if his situation isn't clear to us. > > As great as VoiceOver is, that doesn't mean it's easy for everyone to get > used to the concept of a screenreader regardless of operating system. If you > are losing sight, getting familiar with the accessibility tool doesn't hurt > I'm sure, and investing and getting familiar with the Mac and perhaps other > third-party products from a company like Assistiveware might be a good idea > as it can probably help him utilize sight the way he currently is now on > Windows. However, just because he is losing sight does not equal just > dropping all tools that are currently beneffitial to him and switching to a > completely different concept. > > You have similar products to those you are using on the Windows-side now > working well on the Mac, David, and it may just satisfy you. A product like > VisioVoice may just be the key here by the sound of it, but looking into that > is never a bad idea either before simply "plunging" into it. It does not > sound like you are saying no to a Mac, and even if that was the case, I'd > urge you to check out the aforementioned company either way. And, if you get > a Mac...I won't say you won't regret your purchase. It just may not be for > you in the long-run, and the reason for that may not even be related to > accessibility. > > Regards, > Nic > > GoogleTalk: [email protected] > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: [email protected] > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:10 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I think you guys are kinda losing focus on this one. David didn't ask for >> advice on what accessibility tool would work best with his vision. :). We >> are not his doctors. For all we know, He might not need the use of a >> screenreader for a decade or more. He did stat after all he probably won't >> need a screen reader for a few computers down the road. It almost sounds >> like you guys don't have the answer to his questions so your just thrusting >> voiceover in his face. JMO. >> On Oct 7, 2010, at 4:47 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> With all due respect to you David, (the David considering the Mac), I >>> cannot agree more with both David and Eric. Best to get the Mac now and >>> just take the plunge. Sight is a precious thing; but, if yours is going, >>> and you know that, why acat as if it isn't? Wouldn't it be better, (and >>> frankly cause you more relief), to just go right ahead and inapt solutions >>> which will serve you better in the long run? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!! >>> >>> E-Mail: >>> rforetjr at comcast dot net >>> Skype Name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 3:33 PM, David Taylor wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> My experience is that, in general, people who still have some sight spend >>> so much time trying to use that sight that they really struggle to use any >>> other sense. The beauty of buying a Mac now is that you can freely switch >>> from method to method of access right away, so you could use the Mac as is >>> until you want something reading and simply start Voice Over for that task >>> and then quit it again. Voice Over is used by people with dyslexia as well >>> as blind people. Alex is such a good voice that even sighted people can >>> cope with listening to him. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Dave >>> >>> On 7 Oct 2010, at 20:48, Eric Oyen wrote: >>> >>> I wholeheartedly agree. >>> spare yourself the increased pain of trying to use fading vision and get a >>> mac with voiceover on it NOW. learn voiceover and you'll be all set to go >>> when vision finally fails. believe me when I say this: you don't want to be >>> stuck trying to learn voiceover while dealing with the fact that you went >>> totally blind only a short time earlier (I have and its hard). >>> >>> -Eric >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >>> >>>> To speak frankly, David, let me say this to you. >>>> >>>> If you know your vision is going, why cheet yourself out of a Mac now? >>>> Why not just make the jump to Mac right away and start using Voice Over? >>>> It seems to me, (IMHO) that you're consintrating too much on using the >>>> little sight you have left, and therefore, on the wrong thing. I think it >>>> would benefit you to get a Mac now, and, just take the plundge. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>>> >>>> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!! >>>> >>>> E-Mail: >>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net >>>> Skype Name: >>>> barefootedray >>>> >>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:21 AM, David Goodwin wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Just back from the local Apple retailer. I had anticipated having a Mac >>>> Mini under my arm at this point, so I am a little surprised (and probably >>>> a little disappointed too) that I have returned home empty-handed. >>>> >>>> I had gone to the store to see how the Mac would perform with a >>>> combination of magnification and a white on black colour scheme. The >>>> magnification worked well, but unfortunately the white on black colour >>>> scheme was less satisfactory. I had hoped that it would be similar to the >>>> high contrast feature on the PC, where it basically rewrites the colours >>>> used by the operating system and software (albeit it not always >>>> successfully). This means that on a PC I can have it so that nearly all >>>> screen elements (desktop, toolbars, tooltips, menus, etc) are shown in my >>>> preferred colours. However, on the Mac all that I can do is invert all the >>>> colours that are on the screen. Apart from doing ugly things to images and >>>> video, this is far from ideal when the screen contains both dark on light >>>> elements and light on dark elements. This means that I cannot simply turn >>>> on high contrast and forget about it. Instead, I suspect I would be >>>> constantly toggling colour inversion on and off depending upon what is on >>>> the screen at the time. >>>> >>>> Unless I have missed something, this might make a PC a better option for >>>> now. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> Eric Oyen - N7ZZT >>> Phoenix Arizona >>> Geocode: >>> 33.488462 -112.234926 >>> N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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