I personally don't like ITunes on anything. I prefer the copy and paste method, which ITunes simply doesn't employ. I have many folders with songs named things like Track 01, Track02 etc. Some were ripped from cds, some were downloaded from Youtube and some I recorded from online radio. So I really can't set up a library with ITunes and it would only ruin my folders. Also, many of the Youtube titles are in Greek, and unless I get a Greek synthesizer for the Mac, they're unreadable. This is slightly unrelated, but I find that when I plug a device like an external hard disk or my Muvo tT100 into the Mac and then plug it into my XP machine, I get all of these duplicate files. So instead of having File1 and File2, I now have those plus .file1 and .file2 and the duplicates are all empty. I then have to spend a considerable amount of time deleting all of these files. Is there a way around this? Also, is there a Mac-compatible wordprocessor that can save in standard rtf format? I find that Text Edit will let me save and read things in Greek, but when I review those same files with Windows, they're all scrambled and when I put them back in the Mac, they're no longer readable. Sorry for getting offtopic but figured that someone could answer.
Thanks, Eleni Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > Laura, > > indeed, much of what you say makes a lot of sense to me, and frankly, is why > I'm so eager to make the switch. > > in terms of iTunes, I think that this is a misconception from years gone by, > in the old days, with JAWS 8 and earlier, it was terrible with iTunes, > leading to developments such as jTunes,etc.... > > however, with JAWS 11 there's no such issue, JAWS quickly and very > efficiently handles iTunes. > > using the F6 key I can very quickly jump around it and its stable and > reliable. > > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > Neil Barnfather > Talks List Administrator > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laura M > Sent: 11 October 2010 14:24 > To: MacVisionaries > Subject: Re: Can keyboard only navigation ever be... > > Ricardo, exactly. iTunes is one of the programs I was thinking about > last night, because the efficiency gains are so pronounced. I also > really like it on webpages like the New York Times, where articles > often have a whole lot of extra links and pictures placed in between > the text. Even with JAWS, there was no keystroke that would > automatically jump through all of that, but it's only a drag of my > finger on the trackpad to bypass it now. > > Neil, I think you use an iPhone, and the gestures to operate the > trackpad are almost exactly the same. You can flick between items, or > just touch what you want if you know where it is, and if it's an > actionable item you're touching, you just double tap. The rotor also > works in the same way as it does on the iPhone, so you could navigate > a website using one finger with the trackpad, just as easily as you > could with the arrow keys. > > I know you've just been asking about navigation, and I'm definitely > not advocating that you switch if you still feel like VO doesn't cut > it for you in that regard, but one of the other things I really like > about being on a Mac right now is that because of the iPhone, there's > a lot of Voiceover development going on and getting tested even before > Mac updates. I really like the way both technologies are merging; > there's stuff on the iPhone I recognise from the Mac, and I don't > doubt that when 10.7 arrives, some of the new stuff I've seen on the > iPhone will have migrated there, just as it did in 10.6. I don't have > any axe to grind against JAWS--it gave me access I wouldn't have had > for many, many years, but at the moment, VO is the platform that seems > to be doing the innovative stuff. There are, of course, disadvantages > in picking the newer technology (as I mentioned last night, there's > some customisation options I'd really like Voiceover to implement) but > the more I use Voiceover, in all its forms, the more I feel that it's > getting far closer to really putting us on a level playing field. > > Ricardo Walker wrote: > > Hi Neil, > > > > Correct. If your in an application or web page and someone gives you the > physical placement of an item, you can find it on the track pad which gives > you the layout similar to what a sighted person sees on the screen. Just > like on the iPhone. This leads me into my comment. I don't think moving > your hand from a keyboard to a trackpad to a number pad necessarily makes > you slower. For example, If I'm in iTunes and I want to reach an item > using JFW I might have to tab 4, 5, maybe 6 times. If I know the layout of > iTunes on a Mac, I can just touch that location on my track pad. If your in > an environment where you have to work side by side with sighted people this > can really clear some communication hurdles. I thought just like you when I > first made the switch. "Why do I have to press 4 keys to accomplish the > same task the only took 1 finger with Jaws?" And it annoyed me. But then I > realized that the number of keys 1 must press doesn't have a direct > relationship to speed and or productivity. I also didn't like the concept > of interacting with elements. This is before I completely understood it's > advantages. Again, I use iTunes as an example. If you have your IOS device > hooked up to your windows PC you go to the sources list and arrow down to > your device. Same with the Mac. Then, on Windows, you tab and tab and tab. > Then when you've reached the button you want like music, you select then tab > a whole lot more. On the Mac, I could use the iTem chooser to find music > and it takes me right to it. Lets say for some reason I did want to press > VO right arrow instead of using the item chooser. Once I've reached music > and selected it, I can keep going until I reached the scroll areas that > contain the information for the button I've selected. If I don't want to > view them I don't have to. You don't have this choice on windows. Your > forced to pass every element which takes up time when you know what your > looking for. > > On Oct 11, 2010, at 3:47 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: > > > > > Laura, > > > > > > good post, appreciated reading it... > > > > > > can I ask, you and others have mentioned simply targeting an area of the > > > screen, such as in your example where you say top right of a page etc. > > > > > > how is this achieved? using the touch pad presumably but how? are you > > > meaning you drag the mouse up there, or that the touch pad in some way > > > represents the screen? > > > > > > thanks. > > > > > > Twitter @neilbarnfather > > > > > > Neil Barnfather > > > Talks List Administrator > > > > > > TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your > > > accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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