This is some kind of bug with Braille. Large paragraphs are truncated on
webpages, too, and I think also in Preview. It's very frustrating, and I hope
it's resolved soon.
Teresa
On Oct 28, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I got stanza to work in a way. But I would say that it is totally
> inaccessible with braille. I get that problem again, that I can only read
> some of the text, braille only shows some of the text, and then simply stops
> showing text, it looks like the problem I have mentioned before with braille
> and large paragraphs. Do any of you have any suggestions what to do.
>
> Best regards Annie.
> On Oct 28, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi Donna, Brett, and Others,
>>
>> I'll add to Brett's post of my earlier discussion of how to use Stanza, and
>> cc this to the macvisionaries list. I think the issue that Paul and others
>> have with using Stanza's iPhone app to read ePub books is getting past a
>> cover image or title page. This is pretty standard for most eReader apps
>> (including Kobo Books), since VoiceOver only reads continuously till the end
>> of a chapter (and might pause on a title page with a cover graphic). A
>> general thing to try with these apps is double tapping the center of the
>> screen to bring up page controls. Then you can just use the Bookmarks Icon
>> in the bottom left corner of the screen to access the table of contents for
>> the book and advance to the first chapter. When you double tap "I. Down the
>> Rabbit Hole" for Alice in Wonderland, for example, you'll be moved to that
>> point in the book, the page controls will disappear, and VoiceOver will
>> start reading the chapter. (This is specifically checked for the current
>> version of the Stanza app on an iPhone 4 with the latest iOS 4.1, in
>> response to Paul's statement that Stanza doesn't work on the iPhone 4.) On
>> the iPad, and on devices with earlier versions of iOS 4, you may have to
>> explicitly double tap the center of the screen to toggle page controls off
>> again and do a two finger flick down to resume reading. You can control all
>> this via keyboard shortcuts under iOS 4.1.
>>
>> Stanza does not update the touch screen content while it reads the chapter,
>> so if you were to touch the screen, you'd be taken back to the beginning of
>> the chapter, but the Stanza eReader app has a number of other features. You
>> can set multiple bookmarks (which you cannot do in Kobo books with the page
>> transition mode set to "scrolling" for accessible navigation), and you can
>> move to specific pages in books if you use the "Find Icon" button search
>> facility of page controls to search for a specific phrase. You can also
>> change the page of the book displayed on the screen while focused on the
>> position slider (at the bottom of the screen when page controls are toggled
>> on) by flicking up or down or via keyboard shortcut in iOS 4.1 (when the
>> rotor is set to "Adjust Value"), or by using the double tap and hold pass
>> through gesture and sliding your finger right or left. The problem is that
>> the movement steps are rather coarse for a long book if you navigate with
>> the position slider on an iPhone screen.
>>
>> The search function in Stanza was implemented before iBooks got this, and is
>> very fast -- faster than in iBooks or Kobo Books when you load the same
>> eBook and run a search. Navigating back to the "Find Icon" button shows you
>> your last search results (which you can clear), and you can also navigate to
>> the "More Icon" button (bottom right corner of screen) and double tap the
>> "Find next" button to go to the next page that matches your search results.
>> (This is all simpler to do via keyboard shortcut control).
>>
>> There's a Dictionary under the "More Icon" button, so you can look up a
>> word, and then go back to reading your text. Again, this is simplest to use
>> with the keyboard controls in OS 4.1 to navigate and type in the words.
>>
>> The functions that I like most, apart from the diversity of the store
>> offerings in Stanza, are the multiple bookmarking functions and the ease of
>> loading books into the app, which can be done wirelessly in several
>> alternate ways in addition to using syncing with iTunes. I'll bring up page
>> controls and search for a phrase on the page that's just been read ("Find
>> Icon, button"), in order to navigate to that page. Then I'll double tap the
>> "Bookmarks, button", and double tap "Bookmarks" at the bottom center of the
>> screen, double tap the "Edit" button in the top right corner, and use
>> "Bookmark Current Page". I can assign a name to this. (This is also easy
>> to do with keyboard control).
>>
>> In Stanza, and also in Kobo Books since version 3.4, if you point to an ePub
>> document on the web, you can choose to download it into these compatible
>> applications. Try this from your iPhone or iPod Touch with the Baen
>> Cryoburn distribution CD site:
>>
>> http://baencd.thefifthimperium.com/24-CryoburnCD/CryoburnCD/index.htm
>>
>> Navigate to any of the book links, and then activate the link for the
>> EPUB/Nook/Stanza version of the book by double tapping. In Safari, double
>> tap the button for "Open In" and choose the app (such as "Stanza" or
>> "Kobo"). The book will download to the library of that app and, since Baen
>> releases their books without DRM, will be readable in the app. (Note that
>> your app will open in the book you are currently reading, but if you check
>> your library you'll find the new book there.) Stanza can also download from
>> your Dropbox file if you point it to a URL of an ePub file in your public
>> file, as well as allowing transfers through Wi-Fi via the Stanza Desktop
>> application. The above also works for the iPad. For those of you who prefer
>> other eBook content than "military sf" science fiction, try going to the
>> ePubbooks site:
>> http://www.epubbooks.com/
>> You'll have to use their search function or links to navigate to individual
>> book pages to get to ePub download links (announced with the download size),
>> but activating those links from your iDevice with apps such as Stanza or
>> Kobo books will also let you download directly into the app. This does not
>> work for iBooks -- you must download and add these to iTunes on your
>> computer, then sync these books to you iDevice in order to get them into
>> iBooks.
>>
>> I'll just briefly summarize the screen layout when page controls are brought
>> up in Stanza by double tapping in the central text region of the screen (or
>> by using VO-space with a keyboard).
>>
>> At the top of the page controls screen, from left to right:
>> "Back Icon, button" at top left corner (takes you back to your main screen
>> with "Library" selected to show contents of your library)
>> heading announcing book title (top center)
>> "Info Icon, button" at top right corner (gives Book Info description; if you
>> double tap the "Edit" button in the top right of this screen, you can edit
>> the Title, Author, and Subject information, and also delete the book from
>> the app library)
>>
>> At the center of the screen: page information with Chapter name and position
>> information (e.g. "Page 1/24", "0% into book")
>>
>> At the bottom of the screen, from left to right:
>> "Bookmarks Icon, button" at bottom left corner (takes you to Table of
>> Contents for navigation of your book; there's also a "Bookmarks, button"
>> that lists your current bookmarks for selection and navigation, and an
>> "Edit" button to let you add your current page to the bookmarks.
>> "Gear Icon, button" (Settings control of font type, size, font and
>> background color, and whether to "Use night theme")
>> "Theme Invert Icon, button") at bottom center (inverts black and white
>> colors)
>> "Find Icon, button") type in search terms to find context matches throughout
>> the book, and navigate to those pages
>> "More Icon, button") at bottom right corner (delete books, find next, use
>> dictionary, etc.)
>>
>> From the main Stanza page (with "Library", "Get Books", "Now Reading", and
>> "Info" button along the bottom), the "Info" button has entries for
>> "Settings" and for the "Online Help". In the "Settings" entries I disable
>> Cover Flow ("switch button off") and also turn off "Show tips".
>>
>>
>> HTH. Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> On Oct 28, 2010, at 01:35, Brett wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Donna,
>>>
>>> Here is part of a post written a while ago from Estha, which should help to
>>> get you going with Stanza.
>>>
>>> For the last few versions I have been able to read through every book I've
>>> tried with Stanza using VoiceOver, but the big caveat is that the top screen
>>> doesn't update, or at least, it doesn't update on the iPod Touch. What it
>>> will do is read through the text continuously (unless you pause it with a
>>> two
>>> finger double tap) through till the end of the Chapter. If you want to go
>>> to the next chapter, you can double tap the "Bookmarks" button in the bottom
>>> left corner and select the next chapter. Or, if you want to update the
>>> current page you can use the information you get when you bring up page
>>> controls
>>> (double tap the center of the screen), where it will announce where you
>>> are in the current chapter (e.g., page 1 of 15). Then, if you want to move
>>> to
>>> some other page (like 13), you can toggle VoiceOver off and tap the right
>>> side of the screen 12 times to advance, and toggle VoiceOver on again. Or,
>>> you
>>> can do a search for the last few words that were read to you, and you'll
>>> get a list of matching sentence contexts and their pages, and you can
>>> double tap
>>> and go to that page. All these methods work for me on both the iPod Touch
>>> and the iPad, and they work better on the iPod Touch since the iOS 4 upgrade
>>> (both because of the new version release of Stanza, and because of the
>>> robustness of the shift to iOS 4). I would occasionally have to toggle
>>> VoiceOver
>>> off to tap the center of the screen and bring up the page controls before
>>> the iOS 4 upgrade, but haven't found this to be the case since the update.
>>> But all these comments are for ePub books.
>>>
>>> I haven't done much testing on PDFs, although Stanza will read them.
>>> Natively, it is supposed to read the widest variety of input formats. I
>>> just don't
>>> know the answer to how it would perform (under VoiceOver) on formats like
>>> your scanned RTF files, which it's also supposed to be able to read. Also,
>>> all
>>> ePub files (including those you create yourself) are not created equal, and
>>> all eBook readers are not equally tolerant of non-compliant formatting. For
>>> example, you won't get created tables of contents with chapter locations if
>>> you simply convert from a PDF to ePub. You're not likely to have these
>>> difficulties
>>> with publisher's books, but you really should decide whether the interface
>>> is one you can work with.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Brett.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/28/2010 1:24 AM, Donna Slater wrote:
>>>> I am intrigued, how do you manage to read with VoiceOver and stanza? I
>>>> have played with it for a while and although I can access the controls I
>>>> cannot get VoiceOver to read a page. Thanks yet again for any help. Donna.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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