ok, I seemed to have missed something. youma? which Eric are you talking with here?
I ask only because I am a bit confused. I've been gone since last friday on a trip to San Francisco and I have been no mail until about 2 hours ago. -Eric On Dec 13, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: > Eric, > > This dialogue has gone well beyond justifying either train of thought, me as > a freshly blind person and you as a veteran owner of these devices. What you > took into it personally though is that you thought i was villifying and > putting my chin u up towards people who actually purchase these completely > off the price devices, which i know are essential for certain tasks which > lead to potential employment, but you just made this personal by calling or > suggesting names, telling me that i live in a soapbox and the likes. getting > demagogically argumentative over big portions of the community. THinking that > i am an ennemy. It's a shame that you think you need to defend yourself this > way by attacking me an individual when the reverse was not true. Read through > the lines Eric, i was talking about the corporations, not the individuals who > need this. ANd remember that i am in the latter group,, blind for 2 years, > lost all of my capabilities as i was a 12 year veteran in the 3D and > animation industry. . And i didn't loose my sight in the slow and painful way > that most do, but through big trauma, a systemic infection, a lot of general > anesthetics, near death about 4 times in a hospital and i came out of it, > just did everything in my power to do, and still manage, actually own my > studio, help disabled individuals to earn a skill in 3D and a job outside in > developing countries. I've been at this before even i lost my eyesight. And > we are on our third wave of guys, 15 of them still working with us. So far > over 200 individuals have packed knowledge and are redefining the 3D > landscape in cambodia. They do it with dignity because they decided that no > matter their circumstance, they can make it through all the social stigmas > and the poverty that exemplifies the region. And they inspire me just as i > inspire them, more deeply now that i have no sight, because this means that > no-one is different from the other, business as usual, solidifying what we > believe is true and good. And we did it by self funding, not through NGOs > that have no concept of balue for money, nor by pulling strings or obediently > offuscating our individual powers for some dude who's ok throwing a whole lot > of money for a help standard that has turned business, not the other way > around. Check the methodologies, each have their pros and cons but both > philosophies create similar progenitures. THe difference is how much is put > in it. It's an economic term which is off topic here, but i'm sure you > understand. > > I have also taken a big interest in finding ways to empower young khmer blind > individuals in other fields in the computer realm, and have started contact > with various entities which can make a khmer screen reading solution. With > the internal capabilities of our studio. Guess what? One license of JAWS was > purchase by the local minister of communications and that one license is > being used in a village near the capital for 100 young blind khmers. They can > only afford one because its so out of price. SO we are thinking of buying a > bunch of older mac minis to allow these kids to use a computer, from their > villages, know how to connect, and become active in their districts with a > lot of capacities to use convergence as a means of being an integral part of > their communities. > > So don't come to me with your pretence of my lofty intellectual masturbations > when i am fully active in life, and that's not only within these mailing > lists. If you get that clear than i'm fine with continuing this debate. If > you are not, then you actually feel guilty of selling these products you demo > because they either are not of the standards you would like, or simply > because you sell them even if you know they are overpriced for what they do. > That is your problem, and it's also my right to speak out about something i > disagree with. But you don't have the right to assume that i've got a golden > spoon feeding my endeavors. In fact, because i've been so active i am > actually quite fine financially, and i know what i am doing. This is an > experience i am trying to express in this mailing list because whatever the > circumstances, we, are learning what can be done, and what should be avoided. > I am just a proponent of alternatives to your 2k device here, as you said it > yourself, most people don't have the ressources to buy one. And no, i > definetely won't need to ask to purchase one if i wanted to, but it's just > not a sustainable solution because it's not even portable. And for a fraction > of the price you get something working fine Instead of having to fork out > another 150USD for a one platform only software that should already come with > the device. It'll cost yet another 150USD if it was for linux? It's an > obsolete model that asks for more at every possible corner, then takes > financing from donations and gov funding. That fuels tax exemptions for > donors who aren't completely aware of the alternatives. This is why i love > this mailing list, we see beyond the single tree in the forest. > And this is where suggestions come through, in a community sort of way, to > figure how these alternatives can be thought up using our favorite platforms, > and what we have. Read through the applescript thread Eric, and you are > confusing flame war with true constructive progress for alternatives to > eyeball. ANd i'm sorry if you felt like i hit a nail where it hurt, but we > all have difficult circumstances, and you better not put me out of them as > you have no idea what i do, where i come from and what i have done so far nor > a fraction of what i have endured or seen, throughout my life. > > And i look at the big picture. This is why i was curious in seeing where i > can find this device to have a first-hand thought on it. Looking into the > other side of the matter to better understand it. A virtue preventing > misguided fire before it gets ugly. But you crossed the line and got ugly > before i could have a test at the thing. > > So yea, i'm not going to look into this solution. It's expensive, doesn't > have a good lifespan, probably doesn't use green components, doesn't have > fair trade in it, is rotting the money-cycle, and there are myriads other > solutions out there which can be used without going through all the process > of subsidies and questionnaires, frequent visits to the organizations and > signing a lot of paper. > > TO shave this off now, you came up with the subject: "the eyepal demo has > arrived" and just spoke of all its problems. Then came up with the enormous > price tag. I I was shocked by the price, just as i get shocked when > something is beyond it's value in whatever world. I look into the products i > have interest for, not just blindly buy them because someone tells me it does > x ammounts in x time compared to other figures. I expressed this shock and > discontent. You came back with assumptions on me, myself, the person. I now > assume nothing less than that you are a vigorous advocate of this device, > that you have to sell it to people, and i wish you best of luck, most > sincerely. And equally more regrettably, from all i have read. i just think > there are better solutions. > > As an accolade, i was given the choice of JAWS and voice over while still at > the hospital bed, and it was immediate that voice over was actually more > intuitive. So apple, a big corporation who's apparent objectives are quote > unquote just to make money, has hit bullseye with a solution that's being > adopted more and more as it goes. Google is also a titan and developing their > own solution. Guess what? When you truly believe in what you do, with a > passion, it always comes out great. Whether painting, music, books or tech. > And JAWS seems like a necessity turned profit not profit turned real > philantropic quest with the internal ressources to do as well as the right > frame of mind. Nothing is made better than by yourself if your vision is > complete, especially when you are functioning with trade not donations. The > latter doesn't take into accountability the beneficiary apart from due > semi-annual reports. If the money has flown away, it doesn't matter as much > because it's donations, not money that was earned with exact knowledge of > where it should go. This is a sad truth, i see it in Cambodia. And it makes > my chest cave in. It's definetely a different level for other countries, but > the formula remains the same. > > Again, i apologize for monopolizing your reading, but this is all in good > faith not trying to portray anything or anyone as bad or good. It's a > discussion which has probably gone off-topic, and i'll stop it here. > > Good luck with the eyeball. > > Best regards, > > > Yuma DX® > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
