Hey Scott and All;

First off, -not sure you were intending to target me or the other mods with 
your post, but hey, I kind of need to speak for the group. So here goes.

-My request has nothing to do with my blindness, and as to whether I'm a 
wack-job or not, well, I suppose the proof that I am, is that I'm still 
moderating this list and no one's paying me to do it! lol! so yes, I accept 
that one completely! -Touche! lol!

Now, as I've said before, while I personally have no serious issue with 
language (within reason) I need to consider listers who do. -And yes, there are 
plenty and no, they're not wack-jobs just because they don't think the way 
you'd like them to.

For myself, my request comes partially (as others have said) from a sense of 
demeanor for the list. If I go to audition as a guitarist with a bar band, then 
the F bomb etc won't make a bit of difference to me getting the gig. However, 
If I go into IMG or Ford Models (super nice peeps btw!) to chat with an agent, 
Guess what, a few F bombs etc are not only going to make me look like a total 
idiot, but I'd probably be asked to leave in short order and never, ever get 
work from them again! -And justifiably so…

There's a time and a place for that sort of thing, and this list represents 
neither. :)

Furthermore, the fact is that the people complaining the loudest over this and 
saying that others are acting like children, are essentially, themselves, 
stomping their little feet and whining about not being able to do every single 
thing they want, when they want to. -Sounds kind of childish to me… :)

This list represents an intelligent community of friendly, helpful Mac users, 
Apple Enthusiasts etc. -And we, the list mods would really like to see this 
list continue in this vein. So basically, if you'd like to use more colorful 
language you have two options.

1 YOu can grow up, stop acting like spoiled little brats and learn to get along 
with the wonderfully wide variety of peeps here on this list.

-And

2 You can leave.

Neither the world nor this list will stop because you go away. :) -And, if the 
list does stop, then guess what, the web will lose a really good resource, and 
we the mods, will have a bit less work (and occasionally grief - like now) to 
deal with. -But another resource will eventually take its place, and the exact 
same issues will eventually come up again! lol!

What I'm saying here is that this has happened before, will happen again, and 
is just not that big a deal. :) -Either we get along or we don't. It's just 
that simple. If we don't, then we eventually fall apart. If we do, then we have 
a great community. -It's not rocket science!

Just show a bit of understanding and it can go a long way. :) Scott; I 
personally get where you're coming from. I do, and you have no idea of the 
kinds of 'passionate' language I've been moved to grace the world with 
sometimes. lol! -But just because I'm capable of such, would that make me 
somehow cooler if I went into a tirade here on the list, just to show that I 
can? Sure, I think it can be pretty freaking humorous and downright artful to 
here a very well-executed, extraordinarily long and colorful tirade, but the 
fact is that it really takes no skill to cuss. -and takes great skill to use 
language eloquently. -Cussing just for the sake of such, doesn't elevate you or 
those around you. -yeah we all do it from time to time. but this list is just 
not the place for it. K? -Very simple…

So, it would just be a tremendous courtesy if you and others would simply 
consider showing a little bit of respect to the other people on this list whom 
may not think exactly like you do, and show the slightest bit of colloquial 
restraint? I hope for your sake, as the obviously intelligent people that you 
all are, that this really isn't truly that much of an imposition?… -Surely you 
can let any pent-up cuss-words fly in any number of other corners of the web 
rather than this one. Yes?… The list would certainly appreciate this. :)

It's obvious we all have a lot to offer, and are passionate about it. This is 
good. Without that, this would be a lousy place. People's passions about 
helping others here, are what make this list continue on and grow. In order for 
that to continue to happen and to flourish, we need to be a community, all be 
it on the web. Yes this is only a mailing list, but it's what we bring to it 
that makes it rule! :) -Please be considerate of each other. Sometimes that 
might be letting an errant accidental cuss-word slide. -Sometimes that might be 
holding your tongue and taking a breath before writing. All these simple things 
(little thoughts in our day) go into making this a really cool group of peeps. 
So please just be nice to each other. K? :)

Have a great day!…

Smiles,

CQ :)
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On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Seriously, I'm so tired of these hyper sensitive blind wack jobs that would 
have us speak in stilted restricted language.  F*ck em!


If shit or damn or screwed is good enough for prime time television, BBC over 
the air or over the air radio it's definitely OK for the list or one should 
assume that.  If people don't like that language the can crawl back from under 
the rock from where they came and hit that big button on the front of their 
computer that says power.  
        I suppose these same people find things like the Kane Mutiny, Huck Fin 
or any of the classics objectional as well.  Ridiculous!  Well said Mike!




On Jan 11, 2011, at 9:41 AM, Michael Thurman wrote:

> does everyone have to behave like children??? is this rmper room? we are 
> adults here ,and frankly anyone here who is old enough to read this shouldn't 
> ave a problem with it, unless they were raised in a convent and have never 
> listened to any modern music or seen a movie in the last 30 years... 
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:
> 
>> HHi James:
>> Personally I've never been shoveled into a pile or flushed down a toilet.  
>> But there is some language that should be.  May I suggest expressing with a 
>> little more tact.  Even if you want to say "treated like sh**.  We'd hear 
>> your dissatisfaction loud and clearly.
>> Trust me, I'm not a prude nor do I have vergin ears or mouth.  There's just 
>> a time and a place.
>> Thanks for reading.  
>> Carolyn H
>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 12:18 AM, James Mannion wrote:
>> 
>>> The link worked fine for me as well. I hope the IPhone does well on
>>> Verizon and that Verizon makes more of an atempt to be customer
>>> oriented than AT&T ever has. AT&T sees no reason to make their network
>>> what it should be if they can have a customer based trapped and can
>>> screw them instead of making them happy. Maybe now they will face that
>>> glorious reality that if you treat customers like shit you don't have
>>> them.
>>> 
>>> On 1/10/11, Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> The link works just fine for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
>>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:46 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Um? not the response I expected but I'll take a look and repost. Thanks
>>>>> for letting me know.
>>>>> 
>>>>> S
>>>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> bad link
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Will this hurt or hinder apple, at&t or both? read more:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://bit.ly/fCCxOo
>>>>>>> 
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