Oh! lol. Thanks. This is another post that will be going into my Esther folder. :)
Ricardo Walker [email protected] Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 On Jan 23, 2011, at 7:12 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Ricardo, > > William is referring to the fact that the native Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts > use Control+F2 to move to the menu bar, Control+F3 to move to the dock, and > Control+F8 to move to the status menu bar. So people who use the Mac > defaults where available will use Control+F2 (instead of VO+M), and > Control+F8 (instead of VO+M twice) to move to the application menu bar and > the status menu bar. Either of these options works. The advantage of using > the native Mac shortcuts is that they work even if VoiceOver freezes. I'm > not sure why he can't use Control+F8. Depending on whether your System > Preferences for keyboard are set to use the F keys in their hardware or > software functions, some operations requiring pressing an Fn key with a > function key. > > The setting for this behavior is in System Preferences > Keyboard and on the > Keyboard tab of the Keyboard > tab there is a check box for "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function > keys; When this option is selected, press the Fn key to use the special > features printed on each key." > > I suspect that the answer to William's question is that he could use map out > the position of the Dropbox status menu icon with the Trackpad movement, > using VO+F5 to check when Dropbox is under the mouse and VO+F5+F5 to read off > the cursor location. Then, he could use something like Voxkeys to make a > script that would move the mouse to that location in the status menu bar and > click the icon. The script could be bound to a shortcut key and this could > be used without requiring the navigation tracking setting in VoiceOver > utility to be set to "Mouse Cursor Moves VoiceOver Cursor". In order to make > the measurement in pixel coordinates (which the scripts would use), he'd have > to set the combo box under the Announcements tab of Verbosity in VoiceOver > Utility to "Speak size and position in Pixels" instead of millimeters or > inches. Then VO+F5 would announce "Dropbox is under the mouse" and pressing > the F5 key again (VO+F5+F5) would give the pixel coordinates of the mouse > cursor on his status menu bar, for input into the relevant Voxkey scripts. > > I should add that I'm not doing any work with scripts myself, but this is > being discussed on other lists (for using the BBC iPlayer controls, for > example). > > It's also actually possible to map out the status bar menu cursor locations > of those icons like Dropbox without having the mouse cursor set to follow the > VoiceOver cursor, as long as no windows are open (or they're all hidden) and > you're working from Finder, but it's trickier, and I wouldn't do this in > practice. > > In answer to Jes' question (way down the thread) about how one is managing to > access the full status bar, what's being used here is the ability to move the > mouse cursor with the Trackpad independent of VoiceOver's navigation. > VoiceOver can report when the cursor is on the icon in the status bar; it > just doesn't have a way of navigating to some of these icons by VoiceOver > shortcuts and keystrokes because they aren't exposed for navigation purposes. > VoiceOver can also report the pixel positions of icons, so you can get > another feeling of how much you move between typical icons on the status menu > bar if you check the offset positions for the icons you can navigate to with > VoiceOver. This is a particularly good case for using Trackpad navigation, > since you can't move beyond the top of the screen with your cursor, even if > you don't move the cursor to the right or left in a perfectly straight line. > So if you move to the left, but slightly up on the Trackpad, only your > horizontal motion will be used if your vertical motion would otherwise > position the cursor "above" the status bar. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Jan 23, 2011, at 07:45, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm not a braille user so I have no answers for you regarding that. I'm a >> bit confused about control F8 though. I don't remember mentioning control >> F8 in the show. I did say press control option F8 to open VO utilities. >> Could this be what your referring to? >> >> Ricardo Walker >> [email protected] >> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >> >> >> >> On Jan 22, 2011, at 6:32 PM, William Windels wrote: >> >>> Hi Ricardo, >>> thanx for your podcast about this problem, it works! >>> But, on my system , control+f8 isn't working also (f-functions are done >>> without fn). >>> And about the settings in navigation of the vo-menu: >>> normally the mouse-cursor was set to ignore the voiceover-cursor so , for >>> this, I have set it to follow the vo-cursor. >>> >>> I know that I have troubles with braille when I set this option to "move >>> vo-cursor"but I don't know if "move vo-cursor" can be a default setting >>> without having problems in other situations/programs with vo and/or braille? >>> >>> Thanx for your answer, >>> >>> best regards, >>> William >>> Op 22-jan-2011, om 20:31 heeft Ricardo Walker het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> I show how to get to the hidden icons in the status bar like hot spot >>>> shield. >>>> >>>> hth >>>> >>>> Ricardo Walker >>>> [email protected] >>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Ricardo, >>>>> >>>>> Are you saying that you discuss how to find "hidden items" like Hot Spot >>>>> Shield items in the system Status menu in this podcast? Or, rather, are >>>>> you referring to the Ctrl-F8 discussion point? >>>>> >>>>> Have a super weekend, >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> On 22,Jan,2011, at 5:56 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> this happens to be my main topic in my first episode of, Apple to the >>>>>> core. lol. You can listen here >>>>>> http://goo.gl/8FoSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>>>> Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 22, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dane, are you sure about that command? I hit the VO-M command twice to >>>>>>> get to the system status menu, but entering Ctrl-F8 didn't accomplish >>>>>>> anything. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have this program called Hot Spot Shield that hangs out in the System >>>>>>> Status area, and it is, thus far, inaccessible to me. Too bad, because >>>>>>> it's a great program that hides your IP address which can be very >>>>>>> useful when you are out in public. Does the Ctrl-F8 give you better >>>>>>> access to this area of the screen than the traditional VO-M*2? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22,Jan,2011, at 1:43 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even better way of doing it, try ctrl-f8. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 22/01/2011, at 11:13 AM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> I will add that if you VO M twice, and arrow through the menues, you >>>>>>>>> can get more info by pressing Option with left/right arrows to >>>>>>>>> explore the status bar. >>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>> Jeffrey >>>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> VO-m two times quickly. Then right-arrow through the menu items till >>>>>>>>>> you get to one you want to explore further. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2011, at 2:55 AM, Jes Smith wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How does one access the full status bar with voiceover, as I >>>>>>>>>>> thought the icons for things such as drop box and such were not >>>>>>>>>>> accessible. >>>>>>>>>>> I realize that someone posted a work around for the v o m m thing, >>>>>>>>>>> but I just subscribed to the list yesterday so would appreciate the >>>>>>>>>>> info. >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks and take care. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jes >>>>>>>>>>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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