I do all of my formating in text edit and all of my html writing in test edit. 
In fact I have never used a word processer to write a web page. I find it is a 
lot easer to write in a html editor like text edit.

S
On Feb 5, 2011, at 2:21 AM, f10r14n wrote:

> Hello Anne and others,
> 
> Let me first say that if Kevin's issues are resolved no longer seems
> the general subject of this thread. This is why I jumped in in the
> first place.
> Let me first disagree with you on one point Anne. Formatting documents
> may not be necessary for quick 'n dirty edocument writing, but then
> neither is iWork. We have our built-in friend TextEdit for that.
> Often though, at schools, wehn writing letters, essays, assignments,
> papers, books, readme files, websites, articles, blog posts, ...... it
> is no bad idea to do some formatting on your text.
> Headings are certainly important because a lot of screenreaders
> provide hotkeys to quickly jump from heading to heading. Putting
> headings in your documents therefore cuts back on a lot of unnecessary
> reading.
> Same goes for lists, they may not be very important for us visually
> impaired people, but they certainly are for people who can see the
> screen and any eventual print-outs of what you are writing. And this
> is coming from someone who hates having to adhere to sighted people.
> 
> So saying formatting is only for the very professional is just not
> true.
> Also, if you come from a Windows world, naturally you are first going
> to try what works and what doesn't from a windows perspective. This is
> of course not the way to go, but you do it anyway. Its a basic human
> response to first try what they are familiar with , even if it is just
> in your mind.
> So my initial response would be that there has to be a hotkey to
> format headings , like shift+ctrl+1 in Windows.
> If or when i later find out this is in fact not so and that there's
> quite a bit of work to be done to make one heading appear and i have
> to make ten, my initial response would be to say ' Fine, i'll do it in
> Windows because it goes ten times faster'.
> But to come back on my original point. If his issues are resolved
> doesn't seem to be important anymore. All i see is people criticizing
> people who criticize voiceOver, which is imho not right.
> Look if people are using the mac for their jobs or school and bugs pop
> up that hamper them in their productivity, I can very much imagine
> them not cheering and jumping for joy about it.
> Podcasts like voiceOver On are there to point out these bugs, inform
> people having the same problems of possible workarounds if they are
> known, or asking if they are not .
> They are not in any way to be viewed as some sort of magical law that
> states that voiceOver is bad. So, if something is demonstrated in one
> of these podcasts, and the bug is clearly shown for what it is, it
> makes absolutely no sense at all to blatantly yell ' USER ERROR!'
> without explaining yourself.
> Anne did a very good job at this, providing solutions that she is
> comfortable with. I commend her for that. And I can imagine people
> being bothered by seeing the same questions over and over. But do
> everyone a favor and do not respond with useless info if that is the
> case. You will cut back on list traffic and also on a lot of
> frustration from the initial poster's perspective. If iWork works
> well, just say so. Say what is wrong in the assumptions of a post like
> Kevin's initial one, point out solutions but don't go all ' VoiceOver
> is holy'  because that just doesn't help anyone.
> 
> Sorry for the long rant but I just see this happen more and more often
> and I really see no point to it.
> 
> Florian
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