We've had several discussions on the viphone list about this. People's opinions vary on this subject, mine is below.
There is currently no "bar" that is well defined about what it means to be accessible using VO. We've talked about just allowing users to rate a product based on accessibility or something like "VO friendliness" I think it would be very hard to regulate in a reliable way. Jim On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 01:24:14PM +0000, Colin M wrote: > Hi all! > As someone else said it is not Apples place to make dev's add accessibility! > But [ and I do not know how this would work] could the apps star rating be > made, so it would only get 5 stars if it is accessible! > Somehow only people who use accessibility could put a rating that no one else > can put! > And without it an app would never reach 5 stars! > Oh well its just a thought! > And back to the protest a lot of us have Skype and some of you are good at > podcast's and can record Skype! > So if a lot of us could put our issue via Skype and someone could put it > together and chuck it out on U tube or facebook might that help! > I would not mind speaking for this purpose! > We do not have to be nasty just show our problem! > All the best! > Colin! > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 24 Feb 2011, at 12:25, Michael Thurman wrote: > > > yes but when an ap WAS accessible and no longer is that should be criminal > > and is disgusting let's hope that they give a damn and fix it if all > > developers didn't care about s we wouldn't have the mac at all and i think > > apple does realise that a lot of us are turning to the mac for > > accessibility and I hope they understand that we will turn as quickly away > > and sell our expensive pretty machies if they become inaccessible > > On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Jim Barbour wrote: > > > >> Er, apologies for the reference to the iTunes store. I forgot which > >> list I was writing to. > >> > >> My point stands though. It is not realistic to assume that every Mac > >> application should be voiceover friendly before the developer can make > >> money from it. > >> > >> Jim > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:39:40PM -0800, Jim Barbour wrote: > >>> Are you suggesting that every developer should make sure that every > >>> app is VO accessible before the app store carries it? That wuld be > >>> tantamount to saying that every app must be available in, insert > >>> obscure written language here, before it could be sold in the iTunes > >>> store. > >>> > >>> So, I say to pick your battles and try to be nice to the folks you're > >>> negotiating with. > >>> > >>> Jim > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 04:27:51PM -0800, louie wrote: > >>>> Like I said they don't care and they don't have to. > >>>> Every one that put me down for saying the above what do you have to say > >>>> now. > >>>> > >>>> On Feb 23, 2011, at 3:05 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> well honestly I don't think it matters what we do short of a class > >>>>> action lawsuit because like most things noone cares unless you bust > >>>>> them over the head with a 2x4 lol most business people I uspect are > >>>>> abotu as stubborn as mules > >>>>> > >>>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Sounds typically militant. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You won't get any results with a message like this. It's the quickest > >>>>>> way to get your requests sent to /dev/null. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 3:41 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Look, here's how I see it. They've been telling us for about two > >>>>>>> years that they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box. > >>>>>>> Every single time one of us writes them about it, all we hear back > >>>>>>> is, "We're aware of the problem". I reckon it's high time one of us > >>>>>>> or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly said something like > >>>>>>> this: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> " > >>>>>>> "Every single time any one of us has written you about the > >>>>>>> accessibility problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear > >>>>>>> from you is, ""We're aware of it and are working on it."". Really? > >>>>>>> Where's the evidence of your work? You keep saying that you are > >>>>>>> aware, yet, we see no results. To speak frankly, we are beginning > >>>>>>> to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; even if you are > >>>>>>> aware. What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're > >>>>>>> going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), > >>>>>>> we'd better be able to use it? What will it take?". Yes, I think at > >>>>>>> least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just > >>>>>>> put it out on the table just like that. Just one of us isn't enough. > >>>>>>> We need to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, > >>>>>>> NOT, BE, IGNORED!!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thoughts? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > >>>>>>> Skype name: > >>>>>>> barefootedray > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Facebook: > >>>>>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi all. > >>>>>>>>> As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box > >>>>>>>>> on the Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO > >>>>>>>>> of Apple, developers would either write their code based on Apple's > >>>>>>>>> accessibility guidelines, or, there programs would just be > >>>>>>>>> rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm concerned. > >>>>>>>>> I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box > >>>>>>>>> menu, but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted > >>>>>>>>> help? And honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our > >>>>>>>>> cause. Individual complaints have been sent to drop box for over > >>>>>>>>> two years, and they've done nothing to show us that they hear our > >>>>>>>>> cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't think it > >>>>>>>>> will help much. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> [email protected]. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> louie > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> [email protected]. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> [email protected]. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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