Hi Esther,
It feels like the terminal is way more technical than DOS used to be, but
wanting to get to know it means I'll have to start somewhere. The post from
Jon doesn't make that much sense to me at this time. Hopefully, you can
explain some about the following things:
1. What are scroll back items? I assume this Is your own command history
with the command outputs. True?
2. What is the VoiceOver text block? Is it the item in the VoiceOver cursor
or something else?
3. Why does Jon make a difference between the terminal window contents and
the VoiceOver text block? In other words, if I clear screen my terminal
window, could VoiceOver still be reporting things that are already gone for
sighted folks?
4. What is curses mode?
Kindly,
Paul.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Esther" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: terminal and voice over
Hi Paul,
First, you might want to read Jonathan Cohn's reply from last week on
terminal usability:
On May 13, 2011, Jon Cohn wrote:
Two more notes on terminal.
by default terminal does not clear out scrollback items, so your entire
terminal session will be in both the terminal window and the VoiceOver
text block. You can change this in the preference panels or by hitting
command-K when you are about to start something new.. For example: I
often will pipe a man command to cat and but hit command-K to clear the
scroll-back before hitting enter. Three finger swipes will let you page
through the text, and VO-shift-J followed by VO-shift-uparrow (or
shift+numpad 8 in numpad commander mode) will get you to the top. I bet
you can guess how to get to the bottom.
In terms of cursor tracking, I usually have it off in command-line mode
and on incurses mode. Any function that will move the terminal cursor
will then cause the VO cursor to track it, but not the other way around.
Secondly, the best single detailed post I've read outlining using Terminal
with VoiceOver is one that Travis Siegel wrote on the Mac-Access list last
October. He lists his preference configurations as part of the post. From
the Mac-Access list archives, here's the link to his post on "Hints on using
terminal":
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2010/004769.html
There's also a link on the bottom of each of the archived posts with more
information about the Mac-Access mailing list for anyone who wants to join
it. Apart from the settings issues for VoiceOver, probably the best
introduction for new users to using terminal is the guide in the Take
Control series of downloadable eBooks: "Take Control of the Mac Command Line
with Terminal". Here's the link to the description from the Take Control
web pages:
http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line
HTH. Cheers,
Esther
On May 20, 2011, at 06:55, Paul Erkens wrote:
Hi Ester,
When entering terminal mode, I'm having problems with VoiceOver focusing
on where my cursor is. Would you say terminal is accessible? If it is,
then what am I missing that makes operating it so difficult? I'm a starter
in terminal mode on the mac, but I do know of complex command line
syntaxes from my DOS years. The cmd shell in windows is still my friend.
What do I do to work nicely in terminal? Any usability suggestions? I'm
very interested to start off with it.
Kindly,
Paul.
On Aug 26, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi Scott,
Your Mac has SSH and SFTP, and other server functions built in. You can
access them directly from the command line in the Terminal app. I use
Terminal so frequently that I have it as one of the default apps in my
dock. (The dock can be useful as a quick way to navigate to apps that
you use frequently -- you can customize it to remove the apps that you
don't often use, and add ones that you do.)
The Terminal app is located, not in the applications folder (which you
can reach in Finder with the shortcut of Command+Shift+A), but in the
Utilities folder, which is a sub-folder of Applications, and which you
can reach with Command+Shift+U. Then press "T" to navigate to
"Terminal" and launch/open the app. I use Command+Down arrow to do
this.
By default you'll be using the bash shell. To use ssh, to log into your
account on another system you can simply type:
ssh <your login>AT<your domain>
for example, if your login account name is "scott" and the machine name
is "computer. granados.net", you can type:
ssh [email protected] and press return
or you can use the IP address in place of the domain following the AT
sign:
ssh [email protected] and press return
then type in your password.
Use a similar syntax for sftp. Macs use "Open SSH" as the protocol.
If you have some Unix/Linux background, there's an old web site: "Top
Ten Mac OS X Hints for Unix Geeks":
http://www.macdevcenter
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