Let me expand on your comment with Mail.  Right now, it's putting my most 
recent messages at the bottom of my mail list table.  If I want that reversed 
so that the most recent e-mails are at the top, then, how do I do that?

Chris.

On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> When in a table, investigate single and double presses of vo-c and vo-r.  
> Those will read you the sorts of information you're requesting, I think.
> THe only really clever things I can think of involving tables are for tables 
> in OS X in general.  You can use vo-cmd-backslash to move to the parent row 
> of something, i.e., in the services table where there are tons of tables with 
> collapsable headings.  Similarly, in Mail or indeed a lot of applications, 
> use vo-vertical bar to sort a able by a specific column, or twice to reverse 
> the sort order.
> Hope this helps,
> Zack.
> On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> OK, two questions:
>> 
>> Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the 
>> column header?  Say I had a table with two columns.  City and state.  Now, 
>> say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte.  Could I 
>> while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, 
>> without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to 
>> see?  Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table?
>> 
>> I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table.  
>> Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to
>>> put it in first to do this table navigation?
>>> I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables.
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hello.  You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column.
>>>> You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and
>>>> next row.  To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right
>>>> Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move
>>>> up or down.
>>>> Let me know if you have any questions.
>>>> Ryan
>>>> 
>>>> Original message:
>>>>> Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air
>>>>> on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so
>>>>> different,
>>>>> now to my question.
>>>>> How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be
>>>>> able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like
>>>>> you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and
>>>>> still don't get it!!
>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated .
>>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>> 
>>>> 
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