Hi all,
I've been on this list for a long time, and though I've been very quiet, I've 
not neglected it. I've been watching this list pretty much every day. I've not 
said much because I have no questions to ask and nothing really to say. My 
belief is that if you have nothing upbuilding to say on a list, just don't say 
it. And I try to stick by that. But now I think it's time to chime in here, 
because I've seen a lot of negative posts lately. I'm hoping I can bring some 
balance.

Guys, I don't think Carolin intended to start a do you like or hate this list 
discussion. Even in the days of Jeff and Cara being the primary mods, they 
would suggest that feedback go to them. So I am not writing to contribute my 
own thoughts along this line. Yeah, there are negative things I could say too, 
but think about this. Are your negative comments really helping anyone? Sure 
you might find others who agree with you, but it's only causing division. If 
you guys have a problem with this list, do your part to be an example. Be what 
you want other list members to be like. When people join a list, they observe 
how others post and decide how they will proceed based on said posts. The more 
high quality posts there are here, the more likely it will be that other people 
will find themselves posting using the same conduct and standards. THe more 
high quality posts they see, the more they'll want to post and contribute.

I hope I've given you all some food for thought.
Rose

On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> I agree with Ray.  The list will eventually return.
> 
> Also, Ray, I never suspected you were picking on me directly.  You said 
> nothing in your mail to indicate such.  Don't worry about it, my friend, you 
> took a stance in saying what you felt, and that's ok.  It's your right.  Even 
> if you were picking on me, I would not have liked you doing so on list, but 
> reality is, it's your right.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> So sorry to see you leave us.  Indeed, let me go further.  I'm sorry to see 
>> the former quality of this list degenerated in to something that, to speak 
>> frankly, it has no business being.  It certainly was not this way when I 
>> first came on board.  To speak candidly, it would appear that certain people 
>> get very agitated when Apple, (or for that matter anybody else) doesn't 
>> respond immediately to them and solve all their problems like the world 
>> revolts around them.  No Chris, I'm not picking on you particularly; though 
>> it may perhaps seem otherwise.  Look, let's face facts.  We al of us are 
>> trying to get used to this new beast we find under our hoods.  Some of us 
>> like it and others have issues.  Frankly, it seems to me that emotions are 
>> running rather too high to suit the circumstances.  I'm remaining though.  
>> Why?  Simple.  I know that, eventually, this too shall pass and the list 
>> will return to normal.  At least, that sure better happen.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 11:16 AM, carolyn Haas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello list members:
>>> I'm writing in response to some of the latest goings on here.  I'm Carolyn, 
>>> a former moderator of the group.
>>> When I was asked to back off, and then told summarily that hundred of 
>>> people had complained about my mod style, I decided perhaps my expectations 
>>> were just too stringent, and pushing people away.
>>> I can not continue to be on this list as it currently is.  I'm considering 
>>> starting a resource list for semi-professional interchange , and would like 
>>> to know if there's any others interested in such.
>>> 
>>> If I'm alone in this endeavor, at least I'll know for sure that I tried.
>>> 
>>> My email is [email protected].  Please only interested people respond, as 
>>> I've had enough hate mail for one lifetime.:)
>>> 
>>> Take care, and thank you for reading.
>>> Carolyn
>>> 
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