Hi Guys.
I think it makes a difference what you need your braille display for. In my 
case, I can't use an 18 cell display because I'm doing braille proofreading. 
Also, although I used to have a 20 cell VersaBraille, I wouldn't want an 18 
cell display if I were doing a lot of reading with the display, say in Web 
Braille. 

You know, there is a big long list of Braille displays supported by VoiceOver, 
some I never heard of before. I was big time impressed when I read the list. I 
wonder if any other screen reader supports that many different types of 
displays.

Regards,
Gigi

On Sep 24, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Aimee Glover wrote:

> Honestly I like the refreshabraille from APH. it is only 18 cells but reads 
> pretty fast and comfortably. Don't forget it is about $1,000 cheaper too.
> 
> Aimee
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Sep 24, 2011, at 7:09 PM, Priscilla Garces 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hello
>> I'm considering getting the focus 40 blu Braille display. Has anyone kno how 
>> feels like if it's portable?  I haven't felt one but I've heard it's like 
>> reading Braille on regular paper is that true? I'm taking a couple courses 
>> requiring extensive reading and especially editing in Spanish. I plan on 
>> taking French too and think Braille will help me learn another language.  
>> can I use it with lion on the mbp? Actually the state is provitamins me with 
>> one in addition to other software like iris pro. Has anyone used read iris 
>> pro? What are the comparisons between KurtzWeil  1000?
>> Thank you very much.
>> Priscilla
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>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 5:16 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>> 
>>>   Today's Topic Summary
>>> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
>>> 
>>> installing bootcamp accesible? [2 Updates]
>>> Installing Lion [1 Update]
>>> payroll program [1 Update]
>>> ftp server usable in os10? [2 Updates]
>>> Fusion 4 and Window-Eyes [1 Update]
>>> More about Window-Eyes and VMware Fusion 4 [3 Updates]
>>> Problem with the order page on the fusion order page [1 Update]
>>>  Topic: installing bootcamp accesible?
>>> Ioana Gandrabur <[email protected]> Sep 23 04:22PM -0400 ^
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> I was wondering if the installation of bootcamp is accessible.
>>>  
>>> I am concerned that when it comes to setting up windows vo will stop 
>>> speaking.
>>>  
>>> Still hoping to hear some feedback for installing xp on lion.
>>>  
>>> Thanks for all your help!
>>>  
>>> Ioana
>>>  
>>> Cody <[email protected]> Sep 23 04:26PM -0400 ^
>>>  
>>> As far as installing xp on lion I'm doubting it will work, but then again, 
>>> I will say I've installed Vista, which is officially unsupported by apple 
>>> now, so that means xp will be unsupported as well. However this doesn't 
>>> mean it will not work, because it might but you'r going to have to find 
>>> drivers, which apple will not support, unless you've got a leopard or snow 
>>> leopard disk and upgraded to lion, that might work. Voiceover will not 
>>> speak during the windows install, so you will need an unattended setup, or 
>>> sighted help.
>>>  
>>> Cody
>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Topic: Installing Lion
>>> ezzie bueno <[email protected]> Sep 23 12:15PM -0700 ^
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> Sorry for my late reply.
>>> When I go into "About This Mac", it says that it's running 
>>> version 10.6.8.
>>>  
>>> Ezzie
>>>  
>>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Paul Erkens <[email protected]
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Date sent: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:32:01 +0200
>>> Subject: Re: Installing Lion
>>>  
>>> Hi,
>>> Could it be that installation simply resumed without noticing it? 
>>> What does it say when you go to the apple menu, and then about 
>>> this mac?
>>>  
>>> On Sep 22, 2011, at 6:43 AM, ezzie bueno wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hello List:
>>>  
>>> I bought Lion through the Mac App store. It said it was 
>>> installing Lion when I last checked. However, my roommate closed 
>>> my laptop, not realizing that I had Lion installing.
>>> When I tried reinstalling Lion, it wouldn't start. What could I 
>>> possibly be doing wrong?
>>> Thanks in advance. Any help will be appreciated.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Ezzie Bueno
>>> Sent from my BrailleNote Apex
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>>>  Topic: payroll program
>>> Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> Sep 23 02:14PM -0500 ^
>>>  
>>> Does anyone here know if there is a payroll program that will work with 
>>> VoiceOver? I have employees, and right now I am using Numbers which is not 
>>> specifically for that. Luckily, I have experience with calculating 
>>> employment taxes, but it would be faster to use a payroll program because 
>>> the computer could automatically put in withholding. 
>>>  
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi
>>>  
>>>  Topic: ftp server usable in os10?
>>> Paul Erkens <[email protected]> Sep 23 02:41PM +0200 ^
>>>  
>>> Dear listers,
>>> I have an ftp server running under windows. It has over 50 user accounts 
>>> now, but the machine is very old, and some day sooner or later, I will have 
>>> to replace it. Do I need ftp server software on a mac, or is it already 
>>> built in?
>>> If it is built in, can it have separate user accounts, so that I don't have 
>>> to create each one in users and groups, but rather inside the server 
>>> software itself so that accounts are local there?
>>> Can I use an alternative port instead of 21?
>>> Are there any security risks, more than running an ftp server program under 
>>> windows on the lan?
>>> Very interested.
>>> Paul.
>>>  
>>> Chris Blouch <[email protected]> Sep 23 02:05PM -0400 ^
>>>  
>>> There is a perfectly serviceable FTP server built into osx. Because osx is 
>>> unix underneath you might be able to set up FTP accounts outside the usual 
>>> users preference pane, but why? Just add the users via the GUI in the usual 
>>> way and be done. I should point out that I pretty much stick with Afro as 
>>> is generally recommended these days. Otherwise FTP is just as risky under 
>>> osx as any other is. If you want to run FTP on another port you might have 
>>> to poke under the hood to tweak some configuration files but I haven't 
>>> googled that. Last I checked FTP requires a whole range of ports to be 
>>> opened as it shifts connections around, making firewalls into Swiss cheese. 
>>> Might be time to reconsider sftp.
>>>  
>>> CB
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Topic: Fusion 4 and Window-Eyes
>>> Paul Henrichsen <[email protected]> Sep 23 11:02AM -0700 ^
>>>  
>>> Hi, Guys. I thought that I had heard somewhere that xp isn't supported any 
>>> longer under lion.
>>> Could this be the problem; the windows seven works better than xp under 
>>> lion?
>>>  
>>> On Sep 18, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Mark Colman wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Topic: More about Window-Eyes and VMware Fusion 4
>>> Paul Henrichsen <[email protected]> Sep 23 09:45AM -0700 ^
>>>  
>>> Hi, Robert. I'm not sure this is true. I was running fusion 3 with 
>>> window-eyes.
>>> I downloaded and installed fusion four and it asked me if I wanted to 
>>> upgrade. I did and also installed the tools. I am currently using 
>>> window-eyes on my new fusion four without any issues at all except for a 
>>> bit of sluggishness.
>>> Otherwise, it works just as fusion 3 did for me.
>>> Am I missing something in your message?
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
>>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Robert Carter wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Paul Henrichsen <[email protected]> Sep 23 09:48AM -0700 ^
>>>  
>>> Hi, Robert. I was concerned that I might get a video intercept problem when 
>>> upgrading to fusion four, but window eyes didn't give me any problem at all.
>>> I was sure I would have to reinstall it, but I didn't.
>>> Except for a little sluggishness, it works fine.
>>>  
>>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Robert Carter wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Paul Henrichsen <[email protected]> Sep 23 09:52AM -0700 ^
>>>  
>>> It wouldn't make any sense to me to upgrade to fusion 4 then not upgrade 
>>> the tools. Why upgrade if you aren't going to upgrade completely?
>>> I guess I should state that I am using an iMac.
>>> But I'm not having any issues with fusion 4 other than the fact that they 
>>> took out the ability to launch it automatically when opening it from the 
>>> doc. With version 3, windows seven could be made to launch automatically. 
>>> This doesn't appear to be available in fusion 4.
>>> You need to vo spacebar on the windows seven button.
>>>  
>>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Bill Holton wrote:
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Topic: Problem with the order page on the fusion order page
>>> matthew Dyer <[email protected]> Sep 23 08:15AM -0400 ^
>>>  
>>> Hi all,
>>>  
>>> Last night I was trying to order a copy of fusion and I kep getting stuck 
>>> on the shopping cart page and found tha tab was the only way to navagate. 
>>> Once I was able to verify that only 1 lisonce was in my shopping cart, I 
>>> was able to press enter to move on to the next screen. 
>>> Afer filling in all of my info billing info and the like I had to press 
>>> enter yo get the review order screen, but I could not find the submit order 
>>> button. Has anyone else had rouble with ordering fusion onoline with vo? 
>>> How did you get around this? I would rather not have to order it over the 
>>> ophone if I don't have to.
>>>  
>>> Matthew
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
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