yes, I find it rather frustrating that Apple Accessibility appears to have been 
rather quiet about this, despite me asking them a few times over... still, 
perhaps they only have recently found out what is causing the issue.

the actual fault presumably lies with the web-site developers, as Apple point 
out that they have simply updated Safari to better keep in line with 
established practice and standard's in the industry... yet, they accept that 
for sites not doing this, it will apparently cause Voice Over to go crazy.

So for me, I've done the following, flattened my Mac, and when software update 
comes up, I'm going to simply not install the Safari updates for now.

I'll get on to the two sites I've had the issue with and ask them to fix their 
issues, and then update later.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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On 5 Oct 2011, at 20:28, Chris Blouch wrote:

This could explain some busy behavior I've experienced with web-based chat apps 
since the browser has to poll the server repeatedly to get incoming events.

CB

On 10/5/11 1:35 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> I did try that, but interestingly have had a reply from Apple Accessibility 
> about this, and would urge anyone else experiencing this issue to write and 
> ask about this too, as they need to know its quite a significant thing if 
> they don't hurry along and find a resolution.
> 
> Accessibility told me...
> 
> Thank you for your email. Safari 5.1 is available for Mac OS X 10.6, it was 
> available through Software Updates. Due to changes in WebKit to bring it more 
> in line with web standards if a single element on a webpage has an automatic 
> refresh and does not report that correctly, Safari will continue to report 
> “busy” to VoiceOver. Apple is investigating the issue, we are unable to 
> comment on when it may be resolved.
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> Of course this does make the point that technically its the fault of the 
> web-site developers in question, but they seem to accept that the problem 
> wasn't there before they, so to speak, fixed it... :).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - [email protected]
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 Oct 2011, at 17:59, Paul Erkens wrote:
> 
> Neil,
> I would turn voiceover off and on to see if it helps, because it does, 
> sometimes.
> On Oct 5, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Please forgive me if this has been picked up on previously...
>> 
>> I had originally thought this was the fault of one web developer who had 
>> adjusted something which had broke accessibility, but am now not so sure...
>> 
>> Using my iMac, which I've kept on SL for the time being, I have now found a 
>> reasonable number of sites which have had some issues with popup windows in 
>> the past few months or so.
>> 
>> One site has a popup which appears when you click delete on a message, the 
>> popup springs up, asking if you are sure you wish to delete the message. 
>> this used to work just fine on the iMac in Safari with VO, but now sends VO 
>> into a spin, with it constantly saying, busy, busy, busy, until finally, 
>> after about 2 minutes or so of this, it brakes free and I can use the arrow 
>> keys to navigate to OK in the popup... and I'm free to continue to use the 
>> site.
>> 
>> What's interesting about this issue, is that it only seems to affect Safari, 
>> I can command/tab to another running application and VO works just fine, 
>> command tab back to Safari, busy, busy, busy... with me going, grrr, grrr, 
>> grrr.
>> 
>> then today, I was selling my old iPHone 4s on a web-site ready for next week 
>> when our new ones arrive, and I had to print a confirmation page, there was 
>> an in page link to click to trigger the print popup, rather than me having 
>> to print the actual Safari page itself... so it was an in page print link, I 
>> pressed it, and boom, busy, busy, busy, grrr, grrr, grrr.
>> 
>> this time though the busy did not stop for over three hours, when my 
>> daughter walked in, moved the mouse to the print button, left clicked once, 
>> and bang, back to useable... it was as if Safari and VO were in lock, but if 
>> I were sighted there'd have been no issue whatsoever.
>> 
>> anyone any ideas?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - [email protected]
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
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