The music under discussion is music gotten outside of iTunes.

On 2011-11-05, at 10:49 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:

> I hope I'm not being dense here, but I don't get it.  So you're saying that 
> if I stick a CD into my computer and import that CD into iTunes, I end up 
> with two copies of the file?  Obviously one is in the iTunes media folder, 
> but where on earth would the other one be?  All of my music is either 
> purchased from the iTunes store, or imported directly from CDs I owned, so I 
> don't see how I'm ending up with duplicate copies.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't understand some parts of this.  Yes, iTunes is library dependant.  
>> But I don't look at this as a negative.  Yes, it does make a duplicate copy 
>> when you import a song but, only if you want it to.  You can easily go into 
>> iTunes preferences and under advanced uncheck Copy files to iTunes Media 
>> folder when adding to library.  But, since I have my music and other media 
>> save on the harddrive of my computer, I prefer this on when copying music 
>> from an external drive.  I admit, it takes some work to set up iTunes the 
>> first time if you have a large library.  But after that, its super easy to 
>> use in my opinion.  As for just playing a song in my finder, I just use 
>> quick look.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> [email protected]
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>> www.mobileaccess.org
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, to speak frankly, I will tell you; at least from my point of view.  
>>> With regard to ITunes as a player, (and mind you I speak here strictly in 
>>> terms of the layer itself), I can't argue with it.  Well, almost.  ITunes 
>>> doesn't do ENQ.  Okay, there's the ITunes DJ thingie I grant you, but, I 
>>> can't find tracks easily with that, and, besides, I don't want to be adding 
>>> tracks and files to the ITunes Library all the time just to make them 
>>> easier to find.  Now, we come to the real issue.  ITunes is so damn library 
>>> dependant.  The ITunes library really sucks!  Let's say I have the song 
>>> "Life Without you" and it's in the .m4a for mat.  Well, I have it on my 
>>> hard drive; but, when I add it to my ITunes library, it creates a duplicate 
>>> file of exactly the same size.  That means I've got two copies of the file 
>>> where as I only wish to have just one.  that's a waste of disk space.  The 
>>> ITunes library is so cluncky it's beyond belief.  I have numorous loose 
>>> files which are not tagged and which I have no wish to add to the ITunes 
>>> Library thus making unnecessary duplicates.  Much better, so far as I am 
>>> concerned, to have a layer which has ENQ and which can be triggered 
>>> directly from the finder window.  In short, you locate your first file in 
>>> the finder, and, you can ENQ that file in to your player directly.  Then, 
>>> the next file and the next and so forth.  The player would also allow you 
>>> to directly control the cross fading between files and no lag time at all 
>>> between files.  That's just the start.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> Facebook:
>>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:24 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I hear people say this a lot but, really?  Whats so bad about iTunes on 
>>>> the Mac?  I have no problems with it what so ever.
>>>> 
>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296
>>>> www.mobileaccess.org
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 8:57 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi donna,  Just about anything is preferable to ITunes, but I think right 
>>>>> now it's just the novelty of the thing for us windows switchers who have 
>>>>> fond memories of winamp for windows.  Especially before it got bought out 
>>>>> by AOL.  These days I get my windows clients to start out on the KM 
>>>>> player since winamp is now chuck full of bloatware.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not tempted to try it myself since vlc does what I need but winamp 
>>>>> for the mac has been too long in coming for sure.  Hopefully the great 
>>>>> pioneers on this list will convince AOL to take an accessible direction 
>>>>> with winamp development and then we'll have yet another option.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Erik Burggraaf
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>>>>> On 2011-11-05, at 8:43 AM, Goodin, Donna wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I haven't really followed the winamp thread, but I'm curious as to why 
>>>>>> anyone would go to all the trouble that seems to be involved in using 
>>>>>> it?  Is there some reason that it's preferable to iTunes?
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Donna
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