Yeah, I've heard those rumors too, but I always take a wait and see attitude 
toward rumors. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You're welcome. Unfortunately, a truly accessible television isn't a reality
> yet, but if the rumors and speculation I'm hearing are true, that could
> change sooner than we think.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:49 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Thanks for the explanation.  I avoid using Windows whenever possible, so was
> hoping this might be an alternative.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> It's an app, but it requires hardware as well. I'm currently looking 
>> into a solution with Eye TV, but am on the fence currently.
>> As far as watching TV on my actual TV, I loved having a somewhat 
>> accessible guide with windows Media center, which is why I wanted to 
>> find a similar solution on the mac.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Goodin, Donna
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:21 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Though mostly I agree with Ricardo that I'd rather watch TV on my TV, 
>> I hate how inaccessible Charter is.  So an thinking that EyeTV might 
>> be an interesting option, at least when I'm watching TV by myself.  
>> But I'm confused about one thing.  Is this an app, or does it also involve
> hardware?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Jim Fettgather wrote:
>> 
>>> I really enjoy using the Eye TV app with the iPhone because of the 
>>> good accessibility in IOS 5, but I will sure be happy in encouraging 
>>> El Gato Systems to consider accessibility in an upcoming release.
>>> 
>>> On 12/6/11, Mr. L. Alexander <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> a thought on this.
>>>> 
>>>> If anyone is going to contact the developers, point them to mac 
>>>> access and if anything, compile a list of names of those who grant 
>>>> their permissions to support your contact to the developer. this 
>>>> would give extra weight to the case. they can contact each person if 
>>>> they wish for feedback or join in on this list to learn from us.
>>>> 
>>>> just a thought. it's what I'd do.
>>>> 
>>>> lew
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 6 Dec 2011, at 17:47, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm contacting them about it now, actually. Is the iPhone app just 
>>>>> as inaccessible? Or is that more accessible than the mac software.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: [email protected] 
>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Randy Stegall
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:43 AM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use eye tv everyday and I do think that if more of us talked with 
>>>>> them about accessibility and show that there is demand for it 
>>>>> Elgato might be interested and even motivated enough to do 
>>>>> something about vo accessibility
>>>>> 
>>>>> Randy Stegall
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Sent from my Mac Mini.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Awesome. I wonder if Elgato would be open to accessibility 
>>>>> suggestions? Or would you say minus the guide, the app is 
>>>>> accessible enough to use it on a regular basis.
>>>>> I really want to get rid of this Winblows box and completely switch 
>>>>> to the mac, but watching TV was my last hurdle to jump over.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: [email protected] 
>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Randy Stegall
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:45 AM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Command r starts recording.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Randy Stegall
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Sent from my Mac Mini.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for all the input, guys. So the only thing that's' not 
>>>>> accessible is the guide, yet you can set up smart guides with some 
>>>>> effort? Is there a hotkey to record whatever you're watching at any
>> given moment?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: [email protected] 
>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Blouch
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:35 AM
>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>> Subject: Re: Watching live TV on a Mac.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eye TV comes with a remote control which lets you do some functions 
>>>>> that way. No feedback from VO to let you know what channel you're 
>>>>> on but I guess that's no different than most cable boxes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> CB
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/6/11 9:15 AM, Randy Stegall wrote:
>>>>> You can set smart guides so eye tv is not a total loss as one may 
>>>>> believe at first.  It takes just a bit of effort.  I have 22 smart
>> guides set up.
>>>>> You have to interact with the unknowns but it is doable.  Is ity
>> perfect?
>>>>> No, but it can work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Randy Stegall
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>> Sent from my Mac Mini.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 5:14 AM, Larry Skutchan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can easily change channels, volume, and much more with hot keys 
>>>>> or through the menu, but the built-in guide that lets you set up 
>>>>> recordings is not accessible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 5, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Hank Smith wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/5/2011 4:46 PM, Vaughn Bennison wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use eyetv, which from what I can gather is the only software
>> available.
>>>>> I think there used to be another one, but I can't remember it's 
>>>>> name, and can't find it anyway.  EyeTV is from Elgato systems, and 
>>>>> is almost completely inaccessible.  You can watch live TV, and you 
>>>>> can with some mucking around set up the preferences etc, but you 
>>>>> can't use the guide, and therefore you can't record shows easily.
>>>>> You can however use the EyeTV app for IOS, which connects to your 
>>>>> mac, and record shows that way, but not a full series only 
>>>>> individual
>> episodes--very annoying!
>>>>> 
>>>>> We've used it here for a year or so, and it seems to be OK, if you 
>>>>> can live with the limitations.  The good thing is that if you can 
>>>>> record something, the files are playable from finder.  And 
>>>>> furthermore if you "show package contents" on one of the files, you 
>>>>> can have it export to .m4v and play it with iTunes, or vlc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Vaughn.
>>>>> On 06/12/2011, at 1:09 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Has anyone had any luck with connecting their mac to a satellite or 
>>>>> cable box to watch live TV from their provider? I've done this with 
>>>>> Windows Media Center with great success, but wondered if there's 
>>>>> any way to do it with Macs. I know there are TV tuner cards that 
>>>>> are compatible, but I'm not sure of the accessibility of said 
>>>>> software that's included with the cards, and don't want to spend 
>>>>> the money only to find out the software's not accessible with
> VoiceOver.
>>>>> Any help would be appreciated.
>>>>> 
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