Hi,

this is weird.  The proximity sensor has nothing to do with light.  You can be 
in a pitch black room, take the phone from your face, and it should switch to 
speaker phone if you are using voiceover.

Ricardo Walker
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On Dec 20, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Gigi wrote:

> Ok, after this, I guess I'm done with this subject here. My husband and I 
> just discovered something which some of us need to know about. Apparently, 
> the phone needs light to do this because I guess it's using the camera next 
> to your face to know it's up there. After Kevin's suggestion, we cleaned the 
> ear thing and also the camera lens. Then we did a test with screen curtain 
> on. Guess what, if the light is low (which of course yours truly would never 
> know about), then it doesn't work. My husband, after we turned screen curtain 
> on, went into a dark place. It didn't work in the dark place, but did in the 
> light. So, I guess you can, if you don't want it to work, just turn screen 
> curtain on. If you do want it to work, turn it off so it can get some light 
> from the screen.
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Scott Howell <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> WOw! I honestly don't get it either. I have had very good luck with Apple 
>> Care and pretty good luck with the folks in the store. Personally you can 
>> call it what you will, but I'm thrilled with 98% of the features, 
>> experience, and so forth with the APple products I own. I of course 
>> understand that all is not perfect, but let me make some observations here 
>> that are based on experience.
>> 1. SOme of the problems people encounter are of their own making. In other 
>> words they simply have not learned how to use a feature or do not understand 
>> some aspect of the product. Hey not a negative statement, but instead just 
>> fact. SOmetimes this is just a result of not having read any information and 
>> only basing assumptions on what they have read on an e-mail list, which are 
>> not the only source of information.
>> 2. Third-party apps can cause problems and may impact operations of the 
>> device. In fact several applications that are installed can mess things up. 
>> WHy? Hell who knows, but it simply is possible. I have seen this with folks 
>> who could not get the screen curtain to activate when VO was turned on, poor 
>> battery life, and so forth. Hey, Apple does the best it can to ensure apps 
>> do not cause problems, but reality is that you can have the perfect storm on 
>> your device.
>> 3. User error. Yes people do make mistakes and that is apparent by some of 
>> the questions I have seen posted here and on the VI Phone list. Hey it is ok 
>> to be wrong and ok to make mistakes. However, it helps to have read the 
>> manual and understand how features work and what could affect the operation 
>> of a feature. I realize thread is more about the speakerphone; however, this 
>> applies across the board. 
>> 
>> Now as far as the speakerphone I may be recalling incorrectly, but it seems 
>> to me that you can toggle the speakerphone such that removing it from your 
>> face will keep the call on the earpiece and not the speakerphone. Of course 
>> I'd also ask the question if the phone is in a case and perhaps the 
>> proximity sensor is being blocked. Lots of possibilities. Oh and one final 
>> note, the APple Care folks are not actually APple employees unless something 
>> has changed recently. THey actually work for a vendor that provides support 
>> services. I only found that out because I had a chat with one of the support 
>> folks and he said something he probably should not have said and I got him 
>> to tell me. :)
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:22 PM, James Mannion wrote:
>> 
>>> I have never heard of or experienced this change. Taking it away from
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