My thoughts are if there are beta testers who test for Apple, and those who may use their word processing products,then Apple should ask for feedback re their products as I can't see Microsoft making their Office applications accessible unless Freedom Scientific is written on the box. I still use windows for my job and my Mac for things at home, so am not against any platform as long as I can accomplish what I need, that what counts I suppose but I do wish pages was a little better as I can't seem to change an untitled document to a meaningful document name and then saving it to a word file so if I send it to a person who uses windows they get a file with nonsense in it due to the inporting going wrong because I chose the wrong docs to import it to.
Kawal. On 31 Dec 2011, at 03:16 PM, "Mr. L. Alexander" <[email protected]> wrote: > we need to do something about this. > > as a blind community, we need to team up with developers and get involved in > tuning apps to work for us with screen readers like voiceover. otherwise > developers, software designers and final production elements won't solve our > needs. > > remember, though we are not a huge community (some may say we are a minority) > we are a majority, we have equal needs and rights to application access, so > at the end of the day, we have to put our feet in the door to make ourselves > heard and also make applications more integrated to modern requirements of > both disabled and fully able users. > > the other point is this, everyone in this world is disabled in one way or > another. > > take care and a happy new year. > > lew > > On 31 Dec 2011, at 15:06, Emrah wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> In my case, Open Office lost quite a bit of accessibility with VoiceOver in >> Lion. Moving with the arrow keys inside a text document without using VO >> cursor won't work, making it very unpractical to read long pieces of >> documents. >> Pages is kind of alright. I used it until recently to work on letters, >> contracts, term sheets and stuff… Anything beyond traditional text and basic >> formatting was hard to access with VO. >> I am now experimenting Nisus Writer Pro. Although listed by Apple as being >> an accessible software, the one feature of accessibility I was looking for >> is not there yet. >> I am referring to the accessibility of tables, which in both Pages and Nisus >> Writer Pro, are not accessible. I did not try Writer in Open Office. >> >> Good luck, >> E >> On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: >> >>> you are correct that MS Office for mac is not accessible. >>> >>> there are some decent alternatives, although they all have some >>> accessibility flaws we all get a bit fed up with. >>> >>> what's available? >>> >>> Nisus writer pro. worth checking out if you're in need of a word processor. >>> Iwork 09. a decent office suite containing pages, numbers and keynote. a >>> pretty reliable package I find, though there are some issues with >>> navigation now and again as well as certain known voiceover omissions. >>> OPEN OFFICE 3.3 is a reasonable office kit. fairly accessible but has a few >>> bugs to it, if you want to become a member of the developer team and give >>> accessibility feedback, etc it's worth the time. >>> there's probably a few others there which I've no doubt missed. >>> >>> lew >>> >>> On 30 Dec 2011, at 23:15, Shanna Stichler wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> I find myself in need of software similar to MS Office, which I am quite >>>> familiar with in Windows. However, I understand the Mac version is not >>>> accessible. Is that correct? If it is, what alternatives can you all >>>> recommend? I'd like to know for sure that what I purchase will actually >>>> work for me. Thanks so much for any advice. >>>> >>>> Shanna >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> Mr. L. Alexander. >>> Free Macs For The Blind. >>> E-Mail: [email protected] >>> Direct line: 07936 877500 >>> Twitter: @macsfortheblind >>> >>> Free Macs For The blind is a charity project supplying older but working >>> apple macs for blind and visually impaired people throughout the UK FOR >>> FREE! >>> >>> Do you have an old unwanted mac, any hardware, software, old PC's, etc or a >>> copy of outspoken 9.2 you would be willing to donate? please get in touch. >>> >>> Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, we're here to >>> help anybody disabled with anything Apple! >>> http://www.mac-access.net >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > Mr. L. 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