I never got stuck in any speech synthesis window; have no idea what that even is. Oh, you have a couple things in the startup list? Humm, I would think that should work then. I would like to add dropbox but didn't find anything in the app store for it. Do I have to get that directly from Dropbox? Actually, I wonder if whatever it is that enables my desktop to properly focus has to be some actual app that has a focus of its own. I think before I added terminal to mine, I had iTunes Helper and it was also hidden but still had the focus issues. It was after I added terminal to the list that my focus issue cleared up.
You might ask, how did I discover that? Well, while dealing with Apple tech support concerning why VO wouldn't startup on my mac mini, someone suggested to add VoiceOver Utility to that startup list. Well, that improved the focus situation but not the auto starting of VO. Since then, I removed the VO utility as I can invoke that at any time I need it with VO+F8 and I want quick easy access to the terminal. So as far as I got, things are stable for me and all I do right now is if I login anew, I press command+f5 and VO starts talking for me without further interaction on my part. Sorry I can't help you with your additional problems. On 2/7/12, Missy Hoppe <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi! Thanks for this intriguing suggestion. Unfortunately, I can't think of > anything else I'd want to run at startup apart > from whatever already has to: dropbox and audio hijack scheduler. I guess I > can look for something, though if it really might > help. On the other side of the coin, I wonder if there's something running > at startup that doesn't have to. I'm still too new > to mac to do much playing, but it seems to me that an awful lot of things > run, but I don't have the sense to know which of > them are important, and which it might be safe to delete. I went through my > startup options and told all of them to be > hidden, thinking that might help, but no, VO still is in the speech > synthesis server window, if it starts automatically at > all. Since 10.7.3, I've had to command-tab out of seemingly nothing before > it will even start. I have light and color > perception, and am not noticing anything popping up on the screen, which > makes this problem even more mysterious. > Missy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Holmes > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:52 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. > > Due to my newness to the mac, I can't compare with prior versions of OS X > but one observation I do concur with is the lack of > focus to the desktop when VO is started. I found a work-around for that one > though and I never suffer that one anymore. I > added at least one item to my list of items to launch at login. I do this > in the user settings under system preferences. In > my case, I added the terminal app in there because I like to use terminal > from time to time so I figured it a good choice. > Now whenever I login, I just press command+f5 to start VO (this is due to me > not having a monitor connected) VO starts up > every time and focuses me right to the desktop. Oh, I have the checkbox for > terminal set to hide otherwise I think terminal > would grab the focus. I thought the boot time to be a bit lengthy byt a lot > of windows systems are slower than that. I've > only seen the "busy" > stuff once in a while; wasn't sure what the cause of that was. I see that a > lot with Mail and IMAP implementations and I > figured that was caused by fetching a new message every time you move up and > down the message list. > > On 2/7/12, Joel Zimba <[email protected]> wrote: >> the recent update seems to have made both boot time and general >> responsiveness better for me. >> >> My computer was very frustrating to use since upgrading to Lion and >> now it's fine. Much less of the "busy" message overall. >> >> Joel >> >> >> On 2/6/2012 9:42 PM, Daniel Miller wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've reported that issue several times to apple. They're aware of it, >>> and are working on a fix, at last response from the support people. >>> Things like this take time, however, so don't expect it to be fixed >>> tomorrow. >>> Now keep in mind, I also experienced and still am experiencing what >>> you guys are talking about, but it's honestly no reason to shoot down >>> the OS, for something that they're obviously trying to fix, even if >>> it takes them a bit longer than we'd like to pinpoint what's causing >>> the issue. >>> Another thing you have to keep in mind, Lions minimum system >>> requirements state 2GB of ram and a 2.0GHZ dual core processor is the >>> bear least you can get away with and run Lion, but with some >>> slowness. Ram can have a factor in boot times, as well as hard drive >>> speed (5400 as opposed to 7200 RPM), so be aware of that fact as >>> well. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Missy Hoppe >>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:10 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: RE: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. >>> >>> Hello. I, too, experience incredibly slow boot times with lion. I'm >>> using a >>> 2011 Macbook Pro 724LLA or whatever that model number is, and I'm >>> guessing your estimate of 1 minute 43 seconds is about the same for my >>> boot time. >>> More annoying for me than the slow boot time, though, is that under >>> lion, VO startup is hit and miss at best. When lion first came out, >>> it always got stuck in come window called com.doc.apple.extra. That >>> got fixed, only to be replaced by the fact that if VO starts talking >>> by itself at all, I'm stuck in a window called speech synthesis >>> server. In all the time I've run lion, it's never landed me on the >>> desktop the way snowy kitty always does, and more often than not, I >>> have to press command-tab before VO says anything at all. >>> So, to make a long story short, it isn't just you, and like you, I've >>> tried everything I can think of to solve the problem, but nothing >>> seems to make a difference. It seems that my ancient 80 GB external >>> drive which I still use to boot into Snow Leopard when necessary runs >>> faster than Lion, and that's just wrong. So, like you, I'm wondering >>> if there's any point in reporting this to apple, or if it's something >>> that taking my macbook to an apple store might fix. I've just learned >>> to live with it, but it's very strange, especially since Snow Leopard >>> boots so much faster and always reliably starts on the desktop. >>> If you ever find a way to speed up lion's boot time, please share as >>> I'd love to get this issue resolved somehow. >>> Thanks! >>> Missy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew >>> Campbell >>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Slow boot time with Lion. Opinions wanted. >>> >>> Hi everyone. >>> I'm just wondering if any of you are experiencing slow boot times >>> when running Mac OS 10 Lion on you're Macs? >>> I did a time estimation just now and found that from the press of the >>> power button until VO is heard on the log in screen takes roughly 1 >>> minute and >>> 43 >>> seconds. >>> I'm running a late 2008 unibody MacBook and even though it is an >>> older Mac, it was never that slow while running SnowLeopard. >>> I've tried everything I can think of. I've Ran a battery of tasks >>> using Onyx, I've cleaned out my login items, I've checked free disk >>> space, repaired permissions, verified the start up disk, etc, etc. >>> Just wondering if this might be worth sending in a bug report to >>> Apple or calling Apple Care on this issue. >>> Let me know what you think. >>> Thanks and have a great evening, >>> Matthew Campbell and the slowpoke Mac. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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