Hallo Esther, you are absolutely right: Option + period is the elipsis on a german keyboard. I can imagine it's hard for you to know all the different keyboard layouts. But as far as I could tell your tipps and tricks are always perfectly right. Where do you live in the world and what keyboard layout do you use?
Could be it is a bug in Amadeus. I want to write Martin Hairer anyway and so I could mention it. But of course it's a minor bug. :-) So, hope to read you soon and to get more of your great hints. All the best Jürgen Am 23.02.2012 um 15:38 schrieb Esther: > Hello Jürgen, > > Great to hear you have your custom keyboard shortcuts working. One of the > reasons I like to know how to type the ellipsis character with the Option key > combination for my input language keyboard is just so that I can type > combinations as well as use the VO-Shift-C shortcut to copy and then later > paste the menu options. It's a little tricky to give the ellipsis shortcut > combination in general, since it is specific to the input language that is > used, and even the country layout (e.g. Swiss German vs. German, Canadian > French vs. French, etc.) So I think that for you it is Option+period, but I > would type the ellipsis with Option+semi-colon. I also usually paste to a > TextEdit window so that I can check the copied menu strings character by > character for where spaces are inserted. > > I wonder whether the two spaces before the ellipsis character is a small bug > in the German language localization coding for Amadeus Pro. You might send a > note to: mar...@hairersoft.com > > I recall that when the 4th generation iPod nano with support for Spoken menus > was first released in 2009, there was initially a bug in the German language > localization used in iTunes 8, so that when the Nano was synched with iTunes > only the checkbox option on the Summary tab were announced by VoiceOver. The > options for the other tabs for selecting music and playlists, or podcasts and > audiobooks, simply weren't announced. Forcing iTunes to launch with an > English localization just so that sync options could be checked worked as a > stopgap until they fixed the German language localization for iTunes' > VoiceOver performance. (This didn't affect the German language of the Spoken > menus or anything else involving iTunes or Nano usage -- it was simply used > so that VoiceOver would report the tab contents and let you control what you > wanted placed on the device when the Nano was connected for synching.) > > Hope this gives you access to many more useful custom shortcuts! And thanks > for reporting back. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > >> Hello Esther, >> >> thanks to you. You encouraged me to try it again and again. And so I found >> out a funny thing: >> >> When I copy the last spoken phrase of VO to the clipboard by pressing VO + c >> the following apears after pasting: >> Normalisieren … >> This is the german word for normalize. There's the command then two empty >> spaces and the the elipsis sign. That doesn't work in the preferences of >> keaboard short cuts. >> Then I tried >> Normalisieren… >> That's what you used in your example, also no success. >> Then I tried >> Normalisieren … >> just with one empty space and that worked. Isn't it strange? >> >> But anyway: I'm happy now to have the way free to define short cuts for all >> commands in a menue. :-) >> >> All the best >> Jürgen >> >> Am 21.02.2012 um 23:12 schrieb Esther: >> >>> Hello Jürgen, >>> >>> Make sure that the keyboard shortcut you are assigning does not conflict >>> with an existing shortcut definition that applies either to that >>> application or system wide on your Mac. One of the reason that I use so >>> many modifier keys in the example shortcut, is that you quickly run out of >>> unique combinations. That's also why I make new shortcut definitions >>> sparingly, and delete the ones that I set up as test cases. >>> >>> Just out of curiosity, which command did you want to create a shortcut for? >>> I'm working with a new installation under Lion, and don't have apps like >>> Amadeus Pro loaded yet (this is a MacBook Air with less disk space than I >>> had previously), so I can't run tests to answer questions while I'm still >>> getting my system configured and transitioned to Lion. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Esther, >>>> >>>> thanks for your efforts. But still strange: I did it point by point as you >>>> did and it doesn't work for me and Amadeus Pro. I can add a new created >>>> short cut in system preferences and it doesn't apear in the menue of >>>> Amadeus Pro and of course it doesn't work as well. >>>> >>>> I'm not sure why it doesn't work but will investigate that issue. But now >>>> I know at least it works at all. >>>> >>>> Thanks again for your help and >>>> all the best >>>> Jürgen >>>> Am 21.02.2012 um 21:40 schrieb Esther: >>>> >>>>> Hello Jürgen, >>>>> >>>>> To create keyboard shortcuts of those menu options which end with an >>>>> ellipsis, in Snow Leopard and Lion you navigate to System Preferences > >>>>> Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts (tab 2 of 2) and select the option from a >>>>> table. >>>>> >>>>> 1. If the menu command is for a specific application, navigate to the >>>>> "Shortcuts categories" table and interact, then select "Application >>>>> Shortcuts". >>>>> 2. Stop interacting and navigate to the "Add an application shortcut" >>>>> button and press (VO-Space). >>>>> 3. In the dialog window, change the pop up menu button for the >>>>> application from "All Applications" to the one that you want (e.g., >>>>> VO-Space and use arrow keys and/or type the first letters of the name, >>>>> like "i t" for iTunes), and press return. >>>>> 4. Then type in the name of the command you want in the text box for >>>>> "Menu Title:". For example, I created a shortcut for the "Page Setup…" >>>>> option in the File menu of iTunes this way. (It's something that I'd >>>>> never want to use, and I'm going to get rid of it right away, but it >>>>> shows this method works). I typed in "Page Setup…" using the >>>>> Option+semi-colon shortcut to type the ellipsis at the end of "Setup". >>>>> 5. Then I typed in a keyboard shortcut, Shift-Control-Option-Command-P, >>>>> and pressed the "Add" button. >>>>> 6. I closed the Keyboard window with Command-W. >>>>> >>>>> Sure enough, if I'm in the iTunes app, pressing this combination brings >>>>> up the Page Setup window. However, I immediately went back to the page >>>>> to delete this shortcut, since I'm never going to use it and just tried >>>>> this out to make sure I could assign a shortcut this way. If the menu >>>>> option only appears for a specific application, then you have to select >>>>> that application before trying to assign the shortcut. I believe there >>>>> are "Page Setup…" menu options for other applications, but you'll have to >>>>> set up your shortcut again for those applications. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Esther >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hallo Esther, >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 13.02.2012 um 16:19 schrieb Esther: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The ellipsis character is typed using a keyboard shortcut with the >>>>>>> Option key. On a US or other English language input keyboard, this >>>>>>> combination can be typed by pressing Option+semi-colon. Assuming that >>>>>>> you are using a German input language keyboard, this combination can be >>>>>>> typed by pressing Option+period. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for this. >>>>>> >>>>>>> However, a more general way to get the exact menu command you need for >>>>>>> a keyboard shortcut is to use VO-Shift-C, which is the VoiceOver >>>>>>> shortcut to copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard. Then paste >>>>>>> in this phrase with Command-V. I usually paste into a TextEdit window >>>>>>> as an intermediate >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what I also do but in that special case it doesn't work. Of >>>>>> course it works to copy the phrase to the clipboard so that I can paste >>>>>> it. But what doesn't work is to create a functioning short cut when a >>>>>> menue command has an elipsis. The chosen short cut apears in the system >>>>>> preferences but not in the menue of the program. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have an idea how to solve that issue? Or is it just not possible >>>>>> to create short cuts for menue commands with elipsisses? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks and all the best >>>>>> Jürgen >>>>>> >>>>> >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
