Wow, wouldn't it be fairly easy for apple to track voiceover users when you first do the setup. I would think it would be fairly easy for them to detect that voiceover was running. if not, I can only imagine it would be easy for them to simply ask that as part of the setup. I do realize that such a question may not be legal or politically correct, but, it could be 1 with a choice not to answer etc.
On Mar 31, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Scott Howell wrote: > Ricardo, > > True and we also must remember that Apple is not able to track each time a > blind/visually impaired user purchases a Mac because they aren't ordering it > from a company that sells products to that community. YOu are buying your Mac > from the Apple store etc. So, although APple has a pretty good idea of the > number of VoiceOver users, they probably do not know the exact to the last > person number. So, Apple does listen even if you think at times they are not. > > On Mar 30, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> I really can't argue with that. selecting text on the web is quite a chore >> on the Mac. I think Safari, and lack of accessibility or efficiency of a >> office suite for power users of such applications is the Macs greatest >> weakness at this point in comparison to jaws with windows. But progress is >> being made. If anyone has used safari with tiger or leopard, and compared >> that to snow leopard or Lion, they would see what I mean. lol. Or, even >> iWorks 2008 which was completely inaccessible, to iWorks 2009 which has some >> accessibility. That's why I urge everyone to write Apple sharing some of >> your thoughts in regards to topics like this. How else can we honestly >> expect Voiceover to improve without feedback. It doesn't matter how small, >> or insignificant the idea or complaint might be. Its been my experience >> that its the little things like adding a keystroke to check the time that >> really can enhance the user experience of a product. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> [email protected] >> Twitter:@apple2thecore >> www.appletothecore.info >> >> On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:59 PM, Ioana Gandrabur <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> HI there, >>> >>> I am going to create some controversy probably with my post. >>> >>> I think the mac has some amazing features like being able to use the >>> trackpad, having easy access to many different languages, using any mac you >>> encounter on equal footing, having a stable system, etc. >>> >>> I will say that there are enough areas where I find windows (in my case >>> with jaws) easier to use or more smooth, consistent to use >>> >>> I have not used other browsers than safari and I find that when pages >>> contain frames it is harder to find relevant information on a page, >>> especially when you do not know the page yet. When you do, it gets faster. >>> I also find selecting text on webpages much more intricate and less reliable >>> I do not need my computer for much other than browsing and emails and from >>> time to time creating some more official letters so these differences do >>> not affect me and I can fully enjoy the cool fun sides of the mac like the >>> variety in voices. But I find sometimes I am more efficient on the pc. It >>> might be that I am still new to the mac (about 5 months) but I guess maybe >>> this side of things is worth putting out for discussion. >>> But, after all, you can still install windows on your mac and get the best >>> of both worlds. I do not have a pc and do not have a windows version to >>> install on my mac so it was swim or sink with the mac for me. I think I >>> have not drowned yet and am enjoying the swim despite the hurdles. >>> >>> >>> Hope this helps a bit. >>> >>> Ioana >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online >>> stores. >>> >>> On Mar 30, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Marc Rocheleau wrote: >>> >>>> Hello there, >>>> >>>> It's funny you mention flash because one of my big questions is >>>> browsing the web. I use sites like facebook, gmail, etc... on a >>>> regular basis and was wondering how easy/difficult they are to use >>>> with a Mac and VO -- I know facebook is a pain to navigate through >>>> with jaws on my PC sometimes. What web browser do people mostly use, >>>> safari? Also, I use twitter but have the qwitter client on my PC... is >>>> there any program for the Mac that is similar? >>>> >>>> I'd be very grateful for any info on these topics. Thanks in advance! >>>> >>>> -Marc >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/29/12, Gigi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi Mark >>>>> I would like to say that the two biggest problems, and it's not a problem >>>>> for everybody, our tables and PDF files if you need to fill out forms. I >>>>> have gotten around this by telling one of my customers that tables were >>>>> not >>>>> an option right now. That is a choice I had. Not everybody has that choice >>>>> of course. Ask for PDF files, I'll just have to use my vista computer >>>>> when I >>>>> absolutely have to. Actually, I gave it to my husband. >>>>> Some people have said that there is a problem with flash also, but I >>>>> haven't >>>>> had much trouble with that. >>>>> Regards Gigi >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Marc Rocheleau <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm a transplant from the viphone list here and this is my first post >>>>>> to MacVisionaries... be gentle. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the same way I used that list to educate myself before purchasing >>>>>> an iPhone, I'm hoping to learn some stuff about the Mac here since I'm >>>>>> thinking of making the jump. Seeing as how I have the iPhone 4, plan >>>>>> on getting the next iPhone that's released in the fall and own an >>>>>> Apple TV, I figured it made sense to migrate to the Mac... or at least >>>>>> entertain the possibility. I live in Ontario and, thanks to the >>>>>> assistive devices program, 75% of a new computer is covered every five >>>>>> years for those with accessibility needs. >>>>>> >>>>>> They recently started covering Apple products and my five years is up >>>>>> this fall so I was thinking of taking full advantage of this. >>>>>> >>>>>> With that being said, I have a variety of different questions to ask >>>>>> on here. I just wanted to know what the best way to go about it was. >>>>>> They cover a wide range of topics and I don't want to spam the list. >>>>>> On the other side however, putting them all in one e-mail would >>>>>> probably deter people from viewing certain questions they could answer >>>>>> because of other questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> So erm... I guess I'm asking what standard practice is around here for >>>>>> such things. I bet you guys get the same questions from new comers all >>>>>> the time so I don't want to be repetitive either. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for any advice you can lend and I look forward to learning >>>>>> about the wonderful world of Mac! :) >>>>>> >>>>>> -Marc >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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