thanks,

I'll try that.

Happy easter.

Jenny
On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:29 PM, Chenelle Hancock wrote:

> hi jenny,
> i am so sorry that you having  problems with i-tunes right now. however, if 
> you want to find your library have first have to  v.o. right arrow or left 
> arrow until  you hear my library. next you inner act with  it and then you  
> down arrow  and then press  v.o. space together to select the one you want.  
> afterwards, you can v.o. left or right arrow  until you get to  music and 
> then you v.o. shift  down arrow  into your music library and then you  v.o.  
> down arrow to  search through the  songs that you want to  uncheck yse v.o.  
> space bar to uncheck the songs that you do not want anymore and you could 
> also delete them with eh delete key as well. 
> i hope this helps you out.
> good luck with  everything and i am so sorry to hear about your guide dog. i 
> hope that you can get another one real soon.
> sincerely, chenelle
> ps. happy easter jenny.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 8, 2012, at 4:28 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> 
>>   Today's Topic Summary
>> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics
>> 
>> Itines downloaded album and can't find it [7 Updates]
>> disregard previous question about folders [1 Update]
>> Adding contacts to my mail program [2 Updates]
>> off topic! [3 Updates]
>> Libre and Open office [6 Updates]
>> Workflow not Flowing [1 Update]
>> A little help with sorting documents [1 Update]
>> Material for showing Apple accessibility solutions [1 Update]
>> Merging google calendar with iCal [1 Update]
>> e-mail's on mac refusing to delete. [1 Update]
>> Is XCode accessible? [1 Update]
>>  Itines downloaded album and can't find it
>> Jennifer Perdue <[email protected]> Apr 08 02:11PM -0500  
>> 
>> I hate Itunes, I can't figure it out at all! I'm trying to also delete 
>> things that I have played from the internet and is stuck in the Itunes thing 
>> and so I don't have any way of putting them in the search thing because they 
>> don't all have the same names. 
>>  
>> When I use VO to navigate I can't fine the Itunes library and so I can't 
>> view what's in it.  
>>  
>> Itunes is stupid and I'm sick of it.
>>  
>> Jenny and my retired guide Brooks
>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:42 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Jennifer Perdue <[email protected]> Apr 08 02:15PM -0500  
>> 
>> thanks, 
>>  
>> Can you tell me how to delete things that I have played from the internet 
>> that have put themselves, unwanted, in my iTunes and not have to do it one 
>> by one?
>>  
>> I hate Itunes!
>>  
>> Jenny and my retired guide Brooks
>> On Apr 7, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Lewis Alexander <[email protected]> Apr 08 08:18PM +0100  
>> 
>> hang on in there. don't give up on itunes just yet, you need to spend some 
>> time getting used to the interface and the way it behaves. what OS are you 
>> using? lion or snow leopard?
>>  
>> let me see if I can spend some time with you off list on this, bear with me 
>> though, most of the week I'm snowed under getting ready for the trade show 
>> and taking on a project I really want to get stuck in to.
>>  
>> cheers
>>  
>> lew
>>  
>> On 8 Apr 2012, at 20:11, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Mark BurningHawk Baxter <[email protected]> Apr 08 12:30PM -0700  
>> 
>> I'm sorry Brooks didn't work out for you As for the rest of your message, I 
>> can't make much headway toward explaining it with the terms you use and the 
>> negativity. I use Itunes and like it quite well, but maybe it's different in 
>> Lion.
>>  
>>  
>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter: BurningHawk1969
>> • MSN: [email protected]
>> • My home page:
>> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>>  
>> Jennifer Perdue <[email protected]> Apr 08 03:06PM -0500  
>> 
>> Hi Lu,
>>  
>> I'm using Lion and take your time. I just had to retire my guide dog sooner 
>> than I thought and so I'm not in the best frame of mind today so you'll have 
>> to be patient. 
>>  
>> for the rest of the list, I still haven't figured out how to reply off list 
>> so sorry for the post.
>>  
>> Jenny and my retired guide Brooks
>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Lewis Alexander wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Lewis Alexander <[email protected]> Apr 08 09:09PM +0100  
>> 
>> email me off list at [email protected].
>>  
>> don't worry. I know what it's like on the guide dog side of things.
>>  
>> take care, keep smiling and remember, no matter what, there's always someone 
>> there by your side.
>>  
>> lew
>>  
>> On 8 Apr 2012, at 21:06, Jennifer Perdue wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> Apr 08 04:28PM -0400  
>> 
>> Its not different. Its the same exact app that all Mac users are using 
>> regardless of OS.
>>  
>> Ricardo Walker
>> [email protected]
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>  
>>  
>>  disregard previous question about folders
>> jason lefevers <[email protected]> Apr 08 01:54PM -0400  
>> 
>> hello again after some more playing around I have figured it out thank you 
>> all very much. jason
>>  
>>  Adding contacts to my mail program
>> Beefcakes <[email protected]> Apr 08 12:29PM -0400  
>> 
>> Hi Ricardo and everybody, happy Easter to everyone who celebrates., I 
>> understand what you are saying, but I'm also talking about the ad contact 
>> button I see in the mail program when you reply to someone. How does that 
>> work I tried? I tried adding a contact by hitting the add add contact 
>> button, but I don't know how that works it doesn't seem to work for me. 
>> Perhaps someone can clearly up on this? Thanks so much have a great day, John
>>  
>> Cakes
>>  
>>  
>> jason lefevers <[email protected]> Apr 08 01:52PM -0400  
>> 
>> hello, when you tap on the add a contact button on your email it should 
>> bring you to the list of contacts that you have on your phone. after that 
>> all you have to do is select which person you want to send a message and 
>> select them and it will bring you back to your email with there info in the 
>> to feild. Note you have to have the contacts email address already put in 
>> there contact info on your phone. Hope that helps. jason 
>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Beefcakes wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>  off topic!
>> craig J Dunlop <[email protected]> Apr 08 10:14AM -0500  
>> 
>> using a iPhone 4 and 4S int the last couple of weeks something new for me 
>> has been happening. when listing to a voicemail ore making a call voice over 
>> won't stop talking. also when holding the phone up to my ear it is clicking 
>> buttons. not sure why this is happening now. is this a com in issue?
>> thanks.
>>  
>> Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> Apr 08 04:57PM +0100  
>> 
>> I think it's a bug as when I put my I phone 4S to my ear when on a call, the 
>> thing starts talking occasionally. Report your issue to the Accessibility 
>> team as I reported my issues to them and they are doing some testing.
>>  
>> Kawal.
>>  
>>  
>> Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> Apr 08 01:23PM -0400  
>> 
>> Hi,
>>  
>> not a bug. The voiceover focus is just on the call timer. Just move VO focus 
>> of the time on to something else an you'll be fine.
>>  
>> Ricardo Walker
>> [email protected]
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>  
>>  
>>  Libre and Open office
>> Steve Holmes <[email protected]> Apr 08 02:02AM -0700  
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 06:41:51PM +0100, Daniela Rubio wrote:
>> > With lion it is just impossible.
>>  
>> This is a big show stopper indeed! For us Lion users, there is no
>> really good powerful Office application available! I hear about Pages
>> and Numbers but I understand they are rather limitted and table
>> manipulation is practically impossible from what I have read here so I
>> guess we gotta hammer on Oracle for OpenOffice or the developers of
>> LibreOffice. MS is a dead horse so I'm never going to count on MS
>> office being accessible on the mac.
>>  
>> Libreoffice actually works pretty good on Linux using the Orca screen
>> reader but why broken in Lion? and Lion has been out for nine months
>> now and still no a11y in these powerful full-functioned office
>> applications. this is disturbing!
>>  
>> Steve Holmes <[email protected]> Apr 08 02:06AM -0700  
>> 
>> Oh and sorry for this second message but you know? I came across this
>> thread with 45 messages covering 3 or 4 different subjects. Come on
>> people, *PLEASE* don't hijack an existing thread to post on another
>> subject. I am verry interested in thie subject of LibreOffice and
>> OpenOffice but I was not particularly interested in the IOS update nor
>> skype. The volume is so high on this list and I intentionally skip
>> subjects I'm not interested in merely to save time. So don't use the
>> reply key to start a new subject.
>>  
>> Thank you and I'll go back to plowing through my huge backlog here.
>>  
>> Anne Robertson <[email protected]> Apr 08 03:12PM +0200  
>> 
>> Hello Steve,
>>  
>> On 8 Apr 2012, at 11:02, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> > I hear about Pages
>> > and Numbers but I understand they are rather limitted and table
>> > manipulation is practically impossible from what I have read here
>>  
>> I'm so tired of repeating myself, but I use Pages all the time in my 
>> capacity as a professional translator. Any tables I find in a document I 
>> copy into Numbers so that I keep the formatting correct. I manipulate the 
>> table in Numbers, then copy it back into Pages. It doesn't take long and 
>> works fine.
>>  
>> Like any decent office suite, iWork takes time to learn and people just 
>> haven't got the patience.
>>  
>> Yes, there are problems with the iWork suite. A group of VO commands doesn't 
>> function such as looking for next colour change so I compensate for this by 
>> using TextEdit to read my source document, but I have no trouble formatting 
>> in Pages.
>>  
>> I do think it's about time Apple brought out a new version of iWork. The 
>> current one is 3 years old and I'm afraid when they do, it's going to be 
>> more like the IOS version but I'll just have to wait and see.
>>  
>> Anyway, to finish with iWork for the Mac, Keynote is also perfectly 
>> manageable for a totally blind person.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>>  
>> Anne
>>  
>> Gigi <[email protected]> Apr 08 08:38AM -0500  
>> 
>> Hi Anne.
>> I agree that Pages and Numbers work just fine. In fact, I like them better 
>> than Word and Excel. Numbers accepts Excel formulas, but in many cases, you 
>> can use tyhe function of Insert plus Function. I love that. The other thing 
>> is that VoiceOver is not as complicated as, say, Jaws to set up the talking 
>> of the rows and columns.
>>  
>> I did, however, have trouble Pages on tables because, although I although I 
>> got my columns of different widths to work within Pages, I found that if I 
>> exported the file to Word, the width of the columns got changed. In my case, 
>> I'm just not going to worry about it because I have a work around. If I had 
>> been just using Pages, things would have been just fine, and maybe I just 
>> don't know what I'm doing. I think my tables would have worked find also if 
>> I had been printing them. 
>>  
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>  
>>  
>> Scott Howell <[email protected]> Apr 08 09:54AM -0400  
>> 
>> I think it is also worth pointing out that Apple is still working on the 
>> next release of the iWOrks suite and will no doubt address some of the 
>> accessibility issues that do exist. Overall I would say the entire suite is 
>> reasonably accessible and of course accessible is a little subjective as 
>> well. And we cannot forget that some of the perceived accessibility issues 
>> may relate to experience (or lack there of) in using the iWOrk applications. 
>> Not a negative comment, simply a point to be considered.
>>  
>> On Apr 8, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Gigi wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Ricardo Walker <[email protected]> Apr 08 01:19PM -0400  
>> 
>> This is true. But I think most will agree who have used word and pages, you 
>> have to jump through many more hoops to get certain tasks done in pages. A 
>> lot more 6 and 7 step processes. From an accessibility stand point,I think 
>> iWorks just need to be streamlined, so one don't have to rely on so many 
>> work arounds. For example, I asked if there was a way to jump to different 
>> coordinates in Numbers. The answer is no. But Anne was gracious enough to 
>> share a work around for the list that would allow you to find text written 
>> in a cell. Here goes that work around.
>>  
>> "Here's how to find specific content,
>> Turn cursor tracking off;
>> Press Command-f and enter search term;
>> Navigate down and interact with scroll area;
>> Interact with table:
>> Find desired result;
>> Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space);
>> Stop interacting with table and scroll area;
>> Navigate up to next scroll area;
>> Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item;
>> You will be on the selected cell;
>> Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell." Now, to do exactly what I originally 
>> was looking to do in numbers in excel with Jaws, you press control G, enter 
>> coordinate, and press enter. This is what I mean by these work arounds need 
>> to be streamlined into efficient, accessibility.
>>  
>> BTW, I'm not an office suite power users so, some of these observations 
>> might be more relevant for those who are.
>>  
>> JMO. 
>>  
>> Ricardo Walker
>> [email protected]
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>>  
>>  
>>  Workflow not Flowing
>> Kevin Shaw <[email protected]> Apr 08 01:14PM -0400  
>> 
>> Here's a question about workflows.
>>  
>> I have a folder action set up on my downloads folder. 
>>  
>> when MP3 files beginning with specific words appear in the Downloads folder, 
>> move it to a separate folder.
>>  
>> This has worked out well, however only some of the time. The files are all 
>> prefixed the same. Anyone know why this happens and how to fix it?
>>  
>> Kevin
>>  
>>  A little help with sorting documents
>> jason lefevers <[email protected]> Apr 08 10:49AM -0400  
>> 
>> Hello , I am still new to the mac and can't figure out how to sort my 
>> documents into specific forlders. So to start I am using a mac book pro with 
>> lion. I can create a document fine, I have also created a folder on my 
>> desktop where I want to put client notes. The folder on my desktop is called 
>> unseen touch. I can put documents in this folder just find also . The thing 
>> that I want to do and that i can't do is, In the main folder unseen touch I 
>> would like to make many different folders for each of my clients and in each 
>> of those folders put individual documents for that days notes. what I have 
>> done so far is like I said is create the main folder and when I open it 
>> there is a folder that I named jason as well as a document called jason 
>> lefevers soap note. how do I get the soap note doc into the jason folder? I 
>> have tryed copying the doc and then opening the jason folder then pasting 
>> the doc but it just tells me that its already there and asks if I want to 
>> replace it , so I say yes but Its not showing up in the jason folder , 
>> nothing shows up when I open the jason folder. If anyone could walk me threw 
>> this process I would be very happy. Thank you very much. Jason
>>  
>>  Material for showing Apple accessibility solutions
>> Daniela Rubio <[email protected]> Apr 08 01:18PM +0200  
>> 
>> Thank you very much for all your advice. I will write to Apple accessibility 
>> and let's se what happens.
>> Take care!
>>  
>> SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T.
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>>  
>>  
>> El 06/04/2012, a las 08:02, Cara Quinn escribió:
>>  
>>  
>>  Merging google calendar with iCal
>> Steve Holmes <[email protected]> Apr 08 03:37AM -0700  
>> 
>> Dunno about any help topics, but I recall syncing my iPod with Google
>> Calendar via the iCloud settings. I only messed around with it once
>> several months ago but I could put an entry into calendar on the iPod
>> and I verified its presence up on the website for Google calendar. I
>> haven't received any invites so not sure how that works.
>>  
>> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 08:53:37AM -0400, Matthew Campbell wrote:
>>  
>>  e-mail's on mac refusing to delete.
>> Steve Holmes <[email protected]> Apr 08 01:42AM -0700  
>> 
>> Jessica,
>>  
>> I sent you an answer earlier this evening on the other long mail
>> thread that was going. One thing for sure, if you plan to read your
>> mail on both your iPhone and on the mac, then by all means use IMAP
>> and not POP3! Especially with gmail, my suggestions of creating
>> special labels and filters on the gmail site cannot be done when using
>> POP. Frankly, POP just plain sucks; it is too limitted in
>> functionality. Only good thing about POP is you can fetch all your
>> mail ans slirp it down to a single local box and process it further on
>> that local machine. I don't see you doing this sort of thing. Change
>> your gmail settings and your clients to use IMAP and leave your mail
>> on the server. the clients will download copies of the mail as needed
>> but then from theere you can move them to the Trash folder like you
>> have been doing. In this case, the Trash folder is on gmail's servers
>> and will be automatically purged from time to time and none of that
>> trash or deleted mail will reside on your local devices.
>>  
>> On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 09:42:17PM -0500, Jessica Moss wrote:
>>  
>>  Is XCode accessible?
>> "Jonathan Chacón" <[email protected]> Apr 08 10:42AM +0200  
>> 
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I'm developing for iOS and OSX now.
>>  
>> Xcode is not my first IDE. I worked with Visual studio, Borland Delphi and 
>> Eclipse before.
>>  
>> I started studying Objective-C first. After it i had to learn Cocoa 
>> structure and design interfaces guidelines for Cocoa and Cocoa touch. All of 
>> this information is in Xcode documentation area 
>>  
>> I think the best documentation is by Apple. You can find some ePubs in the 
>> ibook store published by Apple.
>>  
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Jonathan Chacón
>>  
>> Accessibility, usability and new technologies consultant
>>  
>> Accessibility should be a base of the project, it should not be a patch of 
>> the product
>>  
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