I was just making a comment, I didn't say you were the one being smarter or 
better that's your assumption Ricardo. Let's not make an issue of this and move 
on as this conversation is a waste of time.

Kawal. 

On 12 Aug 2012, at 06:38 PM, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Kawal,
> 
> I think assuming someone disagrees with a persons views because they think 
> they are better are smarter is pretty far out there.  I'm sure if you were on 
> a jaws list, windows list, etc, you would find similar opposition to comments 
> criticizing the subject matter the list was meant to cover.  Even fair, 
> accurate criticism.  for example, the main subject of this thread, the 
> selection of text in Safari.  The original poster made a valid point, and 
> shined light on a bug.  That is not what I questioned.  And I honestly can't 
> recall "attacking" anyone on this list.  If there is something I don't like, 
> or a bug I've found, I'll post about that just as quickly probably more so 
> than, a feature I like and that works perfectly.  But if I disagree with a 
> personal opinion someone posts by their own free will, I don't see why I 
> should just keep my thoughts to myself and hit my delete key.  
> 
> For me at least, its not a question of thinking I'm smarter.  Its me 
> disagreeing and making my opinion known, just like the poster I replied to 
> made their feelings known.  I think if someone doesn't want there opinion 
> challenged, they shouldn't post opinions.  Just stick to facts and they 
> wouldn't have such issues on forums like this.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Aug 12, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kawa...@me.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's because people like to think they are better and smarter and yes on 
>> this list, if you attack Apple, you get a mouth full.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 12 Aug 2012, at 05:52 PM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Geez, anytime anyone on this list criticizes Apple, they get attacked
>>> personally. it's not being pesimistic it's being a realist. While I do
>>> appreciate you responding, calling me pesimistic doesn't really help
>>> solve the problem
>>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 11:58 am, Ricardo Walker <rwalker...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think your doing anything wrong.  I think focus just gets lost 
>>>> sometimes.  If you haven't, you might try toggling Voiceover on/off.  I 
>>>> have seen this behavior once or twice.  For the most part though, its 
>>>> worked pretty well.
>>>> 
>>>> Ricardo Walker
>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecorewww.appletothecore.info
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 12, 2012, at 11:49 AM, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>>> Trying to copy some text in safari and have run in to some issues, not
>>>>> sure what I am doing wrong, and it is probably a setting, so wanted to
>>>>> see if anyone knew. It is weird as at first this was working, but it
>>>>> doesn't seem like the cursor is following VO and I have checked my
>>>>> settings in F8 and have toggled them all on and off, but nothing
>>>>> changed. When I go down in to the middle of a paragraph and wanted to
>>>>> select a certain line, the cursor doesn't seem to follow voiceover and
>>>>> seems to be selecting a few lines earlier. Here is what I am doing. I
>>>>> first interact with the text, then read it word by word with VO right
>>>>> arrow. I get to the insertion point where I want to start selecting
>>>>> text, and click Command shift right arrow, but it starts selecting
>>>>> text somewhere else on the page, not sure what I am doing wrong here,
>>>>> or if I have a setting set incorrectly. I have tried this selecting
>>>>> text with Quick Nav on and off, and even tried using the trackpad to
>>>>> select text, but again it was selecting the wrong area. Any help would
>>>>> be greatly appreciated. Thanks
>>>> 
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