I used to be able to do that, but since a couple versions back i can't and i don't understand why. This is the primary reason for me to use 1password. If i can't fill out the credit card details, i might as well quit using it. /Krister
28 aug 2012 kl. 00:55 skrev Ioana Gandrabur <[email protected]>: > This is all fascinating. > > SOme of this is welcome news for me. > Now I have a question that I am not sure has been discussed on list: > Can anyone use the wallet successfully? > > THanks for your valuable tips. > > Ioana > > Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online > stores. > > On Aug 25, 2012, at 5:06 PM, Paul Erkens <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Robert, >> >> It worked out this time. Thank you for your clear answer and tip about the >> menus. I have been focusing so hard on the safari extension and its >> inaccessibility, that it really got me frustrated. Things are a lot clearer >> now, even though inaccessibility in the extension remains for one part. You >> have been very helpful Robert. >> >> For the sake of others attempting to use 1password, here is what I bumped >> into. As far as I found a work around, I'll describe that as well, so that >> others don't have to invent the wheel again, and at least get going, having >> logins saved, using them again, seeing how fast that is, and understanding >> some of the safari extension of 1password. >> >> After having installed 1password, the words from a podcast I heard still >> sounded in the back of my mind, saying: it's real easy technology, that >> 1password thing. If you read the user guide, then yes, it's really been >> thought through very well. 1Password consists of both an application that >> goes into the normal app folder on the mac, and the other part is what is >> called a safari extension. It is this extension that is so handy, because >> when you log in to a site that 1password never saw before, then it asks you >> if you want to save this login for later. If you say yes, the login is >> stored inside the 1password keychain, along with all necessary data. This >> works well, even with VoiceOver. The 1password app is also very accessible, >> so that's good news to begin with, but the other part is not that easy if >> you use VoiceOver at this moment. >> >> Say you are about to change one of your own passwords, for instance one that >> you have on skype.com, and you want to replace that with a strong password, >> given to you by the password generator inside 1password. Then if you try to >> follow the instructions in the user guide, you'll bump into problems on the >> safari extension 1password interface. >> >> Here's what it says. Quote: >> • Click the 1Password key button in your toolbar, then the Strong >> Password Generator tab (it has a rotary padlock lock icon) >> • >> Adjust any features of the new strong password you’re creating >> • Click Fill to automatically fill your new password into any ‘new >> password’ and ‘verify password’ fields >> • Click Save and the 1Password AutoSave Bar should ask if you want to >> save this Login >> • Click the gear menu, mouse to the ‘Replace Existing Login’ section, >> and click the relevant Login you want to update with this new password >> • Sleep better at night >> End of quote. >> >> First, you have to click the 1password item inside your safari toolbar. With >> VoiceOver, this is easy. Go over to the toolbar, interact, and move right >> till you find the 1password button. Then click that with VO space. So far so >> good. >> >> Next, according to the manual, you should click the rotary padlock lock >> icon, which will open the 1password strong password generator. >> Now, to find the new window from 1password, that popped up after you clicked >> the 1password button, inside the safari toolbar, you need to know that for >> now, you have not 1, but 2 html areas inside safari. The normal one, where >> you view your web pages, and another new one, from 1password. For VoiceOver, >> this is the left of the 2 html areas. >> >> Normally, we would interact, and then VO right till we find the strong >> password generator icon. For this to work, the icon must have been labeled >> with some explanatory text like "Strong Password Generator", so that when >> you find that icon with VoiceOver, it can speak what the icon does. Without >> the label, it can't. And in this case, many icons and other items inside the >> 1password html area are poorly labeled. >> >> Here's what the 1password html area in safari reads as of now. The first >> five items are: >> Tab, one of five. Then VO right and you hear: >> tab, two of five. VO right and you hear: >> tab, three of five. VO right: >> Tab, four of five. Vo right: >> tab, five of five. >> So these items are not descriptive at all for now. >> >> The next item in sequence for VoiceOver is something that appears as a >> button. VoiceOver says "button", but it won't tell what this very button >> does, like "okay button", "save button", etc. It's just "button". Sometimes, >> a tooltip is attached to a control like this, and if you have VoiceOver >> configured to do so, it can tell you what that help text says, after a short >> delay. If you turned that off in VoiceOver but you are curious what the help >> tag is, you can have it spoken by focusing the item you want to know about, >> in this case the unlabeled button, and then issuing the VoiceOver function >> VO shift h, that is control, option, shift h. If there is a help tag, like >> there is for many other buttons in other programs, you might hear something >> like: "End the current call", or "close this dialog". In this particular >> case however, the button does not have a help tag, so we're out of luck in >> figuring out what this control might do. Even stranger than this, I doubt if >> it is a button at all, because normally when you ask VoiceOver to read you >> the help text for a particular item, if there is one, you will hear it. If >> there is none, VoiceOver will say this item has no help tag. But in this >> very case, VoiceOver stays silent, so there is something non-standard going >> on with this control. We don't know if it's a button, and there is no help >> tag yet. For now, I have no clue, so I'm skipping this button. >> >> Next, we find: >> "Logins, with twenty two items, tab panel". >> This is something we can interact with, and here is what we find inside the >> area: >> Button. Vo right: >> Button. Vo right again: >> Button. >> The problem with these 3 unlabeled buttons is the same as above: it might >> not be a button, because there is no label, no help tag, and if you ask for >> the help tag, VoiceOver stays silent. Non-standard controls. Not a real >> problem if they are going to be labeled, but as of now, they are mysterious. >> >> I can go on analyzing the rest of the 1password popup, but instead I'll give >> you some tips. >> >> The tabs we found at the beginning of the 1password safari extension html >> area, are for displaying tab sheets, as you expect. However, going over them >> with the VoiceOver cursor won't tell you what they do. So, it might be an >> idea to just click on them the regular way using VoiceOver, and then see >> what happens on the rest of the html area. >> >> If you perform the click with VoiceOver using VO space, and the tab control >> is a standard one, then the app you are using will carry out the default >> event for that control, usually, but not always, being equal to a single >> mouse click, and it won't know that you're working with the keyboard. Simply >> said, if you VO space on a tab name, the tab contents will show up. In this >> case it won't though, because it seems a non-standard control on the screen. >> So VO spacing on the unknown tabs won't get you anywhere, and the screen >> won't change. >> >> But, for those oddities, we have another method. Bring the mouse pointer >> over to where the VoiceOver cursor is, and then simulate a mouse click with >> VoiceOver. This is different from asking VoiceOver to tell the control to >> perform its default click action. To bring the mouse, once you're focused on >> 1 of the 5 tabs, hit VO command f5. To perform the click at this location, >> issue VO shift space. Again, VO is control plus option. This time, the >> screen will change indeed. Now with some trying and memorizing, you will >> find out what the unknown tabs will display. They are as follows: >> The first tab will display your logins, to choose from. >> The second will display credit card info if you have that filled in. >> The third is for identities. >> The fourth: the strong password generator. >> The fifth tab: no clue. If you click on the fifth tab, the finder's apple >> menu is opened, so maybe there's yet another aproach to finding out what >> this tab does: click it physically, i.e.: do it using the real trackpad, and >> not a VoiceOver command for a simulation. >> >> To do that, route the mouse to the VoiceOver cursor, and then press down on >> your trackpad. Find its lower left corner without touching the glass, or >> you'll move your carefully placed mouse pointer way off, by accident. But if >> you click this fifth tab, in my case I'm thrown out of safari and returned >> to finder. >> >> So far, I have a couple logins stored inside 1password, but not many yet, >> because only an hour ago, after reading your answer Robert, I found out more >> about this interface, as more pieces of the puzzle dropped into place. >> So now we know what the tabs do, the manual can be followed: click the >> 1password toolbar button, and then click the strong password generator. For >> us it's been some fiddling, but we can do it now. >> >> Next, we should adjust settings if desired, for the password to be >> generated. Now this is easy. Just look around and you'll understand it. >> There's a strong password already there too. Hit fill in this strong >> password dialog, and the new password will be filled in on the site. So that >> is how you can give a strong password to a site. >> >> Another tip. If you want your current password for a site, I didn't find a >> way to copy this off the 1password extension. Another way to get it is to >> open the 1password application, going to your logins, finding the one you >> want, and then hitting command e on the password shown. If you don't do the >> command e, you cannot copy the text string, whereas if you turn this field >> into a known format, an edit field with normal text and a cursor, all text >> in the password field is selected by default, so hiting command c to copy, >> right after command e, will copy your password to the clipboard in os10. >> >> However, because of security, 1password won't let it sit there for long, >> quickly bring up text edit, paste it there, and then take your time again. >> That's a way to see your existing password for a site that 1password knows >> about. >> >> Now what if you know that 1password has a site with credentials, and you >> want to log into it right away. Well so far, I found 2 ways, thanks to >> Robert. >> >> 1. From the 1password application, you can hit command shift enter once you >> are focused on the login in question. The site opens, the form is filled and >> submitted and you are logged in. Fine. >> >> 2. Alternatively, you can also do this from the safari extension. Make the >> 1password html area fill up by clicking the 1password toolbar item in >> safari. Navigate into the html area, and find open in new tab. This is a >> heading, and then find the site you want to go to. Once found, VO space on >> it and you will be logged in. Mind you, because the first page load is for >> the site to appear, and then you must wait some time more, because 1password >> needs time to fill the form, submit it and have the new logged in site page >> appear. I was impatient, and that screwed the login process and I had to >> start over until I understood what was going on. >> >> I hope this will help out some other people. If I have more news about >> 1password, I'll post it here. >> Hth, >> Paul. >> >> On Aug 25, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Robert Carter <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> >>> When I mention the command+shift+l command, I was talking about how to get >>> to the table of login items that you have created in 1password. This >>> command only applies when you are focused on 1password. It is not a safari >>> command. >>> >>> To have 1password automatically open safari and log you in, while using up >>> and down arrow to select individual login items on the login screen of >>> 1password, simply press command+option+enter on the item that you want >>> 1password to open safari and log you in. >>> >>> If you review the 1password menus, all of the commands that I have >>> mentioned are available from the menus as well. >>> >>> The command+backslash command is intended to be used from inside safari. In >>> other words, when you are in safari sitting on a web page for which you >>> have created a login entry in 1password, you can press command+backslash to >>> have 1password automatically fill in the username and password and log you >>> in to that site. >>> >>> Robert Carter >>> On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:27 AM, Paul Erkens <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Robert, >>>> >>>> I don't seem to get it all yet. Please allow me to ask another question. I >>>> got the auto login feature to work on skype.com. There, I first click on >>>> the sign in button, which gives me the username password site fields. >>>> Command backslash logs me in right away. So that works. >>>> >>>> You also said that command shift l brings up the list of logins. I >>>> couldn't get that to work in safari, thinking that the 1password safari >>>> extension would catch that keystroke, but it does work inside 1password. I >>>> get taken to the logins sidebar item, so that works as well. Thanks a lot. >>>> >>>> Now, if I click the name of a login, hoping it would launch and log me in, >>>> instead it gives me a text cursor, allowing me to rename the login inside >>>> 1password. I want to be logged in with one click, so I tried the context >>>> menu, and yes, there you have an item called open url. But what that does, >>>> is put me on the page for login, but it won't log me in in the same go. Is >>>> this normal behaviour? >>>> >>>> Paul. >>>> On Aug 25, 2012, at 12:48 AM, Robert Carter <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>> >>>>> You are correct, if the 1password safari extension is working properly, >>>>> when you are on a website that 1password has login information stored >>>>> for, simply pressing command+backslash causes 1password to automatically >>>>> fill in the username, password and automatically log you in to the site. >>>>> >>>>> I would encourage you to check the 1password login entry for the site >>>>> that got automatically generated and make sure that both the username and >>>>> password are filled in. With 1password in focus, pressing command+shift+l >>>>> will put you in the window where the list of logins that you have created >>>>> and stored in 1password will be displayed. >>>>> >>>>> Robert >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Paul Erkens <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Robert, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks a lot for your answer. This will be useful later on. I would like >>>>>> to understand one more thing for now. I seem to have succeeded in >>>>>> storing one of my passwords inside 1password. >>>>>> While filling in a password on a site that 1password was not aware of, a >>>>>> 1password dialog came up, asking me if I wanted to save this login for >>>>>> later. That was the first time I saw the 1password safari extension do >>>>>> something at all, that VoiceOver caught and spoke, so that is good news >>>>>> to begin with. >>>>>> >>>>>> After having answered "save", I was in, of course, because I myself gave >>>>>> the right password. But here's the problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I understand it, there's a list of saved logins somewhere in >>>>>> 1password, where you can click a site, and be logged in right away. >>>>>> 1. Where is this thing located? In the extension, or in the 1password >>>>>> app? Clicking on a login inside the app lets me rename it, but not carry >>>>>> it out. In the extension, I don't find such a list. >>>>>> 2. Is this the way you go about logging in to sites, using the 1password >>>>>> logins list? >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Alternatively, You wrote that if you go to a site where you want to >>>>>> be logged in, and you are on the page where the site asks your >>>>>> credentials, then you hit command backslash to be logged in. Is this >>>>>> correct at all? If I try this, nothing happens, and I still need to fill >>>>>> in the password myself. Am I overlooking something? I verified through >>>>>> the 1password app, that this very password for this very site is indeed >>>>>> stored, and it was captured automatically as described above. Is hitting >>>>>> command backslash on a login page enough to have 1password do its thing? >>>>>> Seems, not on my machine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Very interested to hear back on this, if you have any tips at all. >>>>>> Thanks in advance for the time you have been taking to help me out with >>>>>> this. It is very much appreciated. >>>>>> Paul. >>>>>> On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:41 PM, Robert Carter <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Paul, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know for sure but am going to assume that you currently have >>>>>>> the weak password stored in 1password. Making that assumption, here is >>>>>>> how I would proceed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Open 1password go to file menu, down arrow to "new item" and press >>>>>>> right arrow to expand it. >>>>>>> 2. Down arrow to "new password" and press enter to open the dialogue. >>>>>>> 3. Use VO right arrow and you will see that 1password has generated a >>>>>>> strong password in this dialogue. >>>>>>> 4. VO right arrow past the password and use VO space on the copy button >>>>>>> to put the password on the clipboard. >>>>>>> 5. Open TextEdit and paste the password in to a blank document. I do >>>>>>> this because 1password only keeps the generated password on the >>>>>>> clipboard for 90 seconds or whatever you have it set to. >>>>>>> 6. Highlight the password that is now in text edit and copy it to the >>>>>>> clipboard. This way you don't have to worry about it disappearing from >>>>>>> the clipboard. >>>>>>> 7. Open safari and go to the site where you want to change the >>>>>>> password. Get to the point on the site where you are being asked for >>>>>>> the new password and paste it in from the clipboard. >>>>>>> 8. Go back to 1password, to your logins and locate the login >>>>>>> information for the site that you just changed the password for. >>>>>>> 9. Interact with the scroll area in 1password and use VO right arrow to >>>>>>> navigate to the password field. Assuming that you have show passwords >>>>>>> checked in the view menu, you will see your old password for the site. >>>>>>> Press command e to allow you to edit this entry. Delete it and paste in >>>>>>> the new password that is still on the clipboard. >>>>>>> 10. Press command e again to tell 1password that you are finished >>>>>>> editing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You now have the password changed on the site and also updated in >>>>>>> 1password. You can trash the text edit document and all is now right >>>>>>> with the world. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Robert Carter >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Paul Erkens <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Robert, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you go about the following with 1password. It's something I've >>>>>>>> been struggling with the past few days but I can't get my head around >>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Say I have a site where I have a weak login password, and I want to >>>>>>>> change that into a strong one, generated by 1password, and also stored >>>>>>>> for later use. I safari over to the page where I can fill in a new >>>>>>>> password. Then, while on the field to enter my new password, I need >>>>>>>> 1password to generate a password for me and store that. How do you do >>>>>>>> this? Very interested to know, because it's driving me crazy, knowing >>>>>>>> that it is possible with VoiceOver and I would love to use this >>>>>>>> feature. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 11:32 PM, Robert Carter <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I use 1password on both the Mac and on windows. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After getting the safari extension installed, I simply press >>>>>>>>> command+backslash when I am on the login page for a site. 1password >>>>>>>>> asks me to enter my master password and it fills in the login >>>>>>>>> information automatically. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This has worked well for me in both Lion and now Mountain Lion. I >>>>>>>>> have heard of others having difficulty with using the extension with >>>>>>>>> VoiceOver. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Robert Carter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Paul Erkens <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I now have 1password from the app store. If you have it and know how >>>>>>>>>> to use its safari extension, please tell me a little bit about the >>>>>>>>>> way you handle that part of 1password. I'm still fighting with the >>>>>>>>>> interface in the 1password extension. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you don't know what 1password is: it is a utility for the mac, >>>>>>>>>> iphone and ipad. It solves the problem of having mostly the same >>>>>>>>>> password across a lot of sites, it lets you automatically fill in >>>>>>>>>> the passwords you give it, and it can even create new, strong >>>>>>>>>> passwords for you, and fill them in if you need them. It's an >>>>>>>>>> awesome piece of software, but as far as I can tell, not very >>>>>>>>>> accessible inside its safari extension that makes the above >>>>>>>>>> possible. It even lets you sync your password from your mac, via >>>>>>>>>> dropbox, over to your phone and ipad, so that you have your log in >>>>>>>>>> assistant everywhere. If someone gets hold of your password file >>>>>>>>>> stored in dropbox, no worries, because it's well encrypted. Any of >>>>>>>>>> you a good experience with 1password? On their site, I found 1 >>>>>>>>>> person having asked for voiceover support, and they say they hope >>>>>>>>>> they will, that's it. I would like to urge you to take a look, and >>>>>>>>>> write them as well, asking for accessibility being built in. We all >>>>>>>>>> will benefit, for 1password's capabilities are great. Just listen to >>>>>>>>>> the mac power users podcast and you'll be convinced. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Paul. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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