When I used tab and shift-tab, the checkbox and the title of the book were 
associated so that I didn't have any problem telling what I was ordering. They 
were spoken together and as long as I didn't try to use vo-keys but just the 
space bar, each checkbox was checked though it didn't say "checked" when i 
pressed the space bar. I was able to fill my cart with 15 items all at once 
correctly by using this method. I was using the anniversary link that Esther 
provided but when I saw that this was only one category I went on to "all 
books" and added more books without losing the checkmarks on the books I had 
already chosen. Wile tabbing, I don't remember whether I was able to do 
vokeys-space on "buy selected books" or if I had to just hit enter. But I don't 
know whether I had any particular setting in safari that made tabbing work for 
me and the method suggested by others certainly also would work. I don't think 
the coupon has to be used only for one order.



-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Sep 30, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Steve Holmes <steve.holme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks to you and Esther, I managed to order 4 books so far.  It is a strange 
> experience indeed.  I had some problem associating checkboxes with the right 
> books though but I was probably mix and matching when to use VO modifiers 
> keys.  It was almost easier to add more books to the cart and then just 
> remove the unwanted ones.  I hope I can use the coupon more than once today.  
> I might go look for some more outside the mountain lion category.
> 
> On Sep 30, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Cheryl Homiak <cahom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, here's what I did.
>> 
>> I started where it says buy selected books button. i tabbed through the 
>> titles and hit the spacebar only (not vo-space) to check the boxes. I was 
>> able to simply hit enter/return on the category choice; I wanted to see all 
>> books. But since I was then at the bottom of the list i had to use shift-tab 
>> to go through the books and then hit space only to check items. Then on the 
>> cart page, if you aren't seeing your total and couplon discount, use the 
>> item chooser and you will see those things. If you are paying with paypal 
>> and it says it needs a billing address to process your order, just keep 
>> going and when you are taken back to the website you will be able to 
>> complete the purchase with no problem. Admittedly it's a horrible website 
>> for accessibility if you don't know what to do, but it is actually quite 
>> workable once you figure it out. I was able to use it to purchase nearly 
>> $100 worth of books but I justify it by telling myself it would have been 
>> close to $200 without the discount. Mouse keys is not necessary at all on 
>> the website and since I'm known for using mouse keys often the fact that I 
>> passed up an opportunity to employ them means they really aren't needed - 
>> grin!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl
>> 
>> May the words of my mouth
>> and the meditation of my heart
>> be acceptable to You, Lord,
>> my rock and my Redeemer.
>> (Psalm 19:14 HCSB)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Esther <mori...@mac-access.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Steve and Others,
>>> 
>>> I navigated the table entries by setting the web rotor to form controls.  
>>> Then if you use VO-U you can move down the list to the item you want and 
>>> use VO-Space or your Up+Down arrow keys to check/uncheck the box. By 
>>> default the listed entries will be set to "Mountain Lion", I think.  To 
>>> change the listed entries to something else, set your web rotor to links, 
>>> use VO-U, and choose "All Ebooks" (a really long list, though, so I don't 
>>> necessarily recommend it) or arrow down past topics to "General Macintosh", 
>>> "Apple's Mac Apps", "Other Mac Apps", "Airport & Wi-Fi", etc.  Then 
>>> activate the link to reload the new entries, navigate to the heading "Save 
>>> 50% During the Take Control September Sale!", and VO-Right or Right Arrow 
>>> to the table.  
>>> 
>>> The other way that works for me is to use item chooser menu (VO-I), then 
>>> type the first few letters of "unchecked".  Navigate down to the title you 
>>> want, and use VO-Space or the Up+Down arrow keys to check or uncheck the 
>>> box.  The issue I have when choosing a link to load up another set of books 
>>> is that these navigation controls don't refresh with the new entries as 
>>> being associated with the titles.  If I toggle VoiceOver on and off, I can 
>>> view the newly selected entries under Form Controls in the web rotor, or 
>>> when I use item chooser menu and type "u n c" to find the unchecked 
>>> entries, and then I can check or uncheck the boxes without any use of Mouse 
>>> Keys.
>>> 
>>> Gremlins seem to be swallowing up some of my posts these last two days.  I 
>>> originally composed a long and detailed answer to Cheryl much earlier in 
>>> this thread, only to have it disappear.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 07:07, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Steve,
>>>> 
>>>> I've just had a look at this table and it's a total mess! I can get 
>>>> further down through it by using mousekeys, but the VoiceOver cursor won't 
>>>> go there. This site is renowned for being horrible to navigate in any case.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry not to have a better solution, but mousekeys is all that works for 
>>>> me. If you want to try this method, make sure that you have the check box 
>>>> Speak text under mouse after delay checked in the Verbosity category, 
>>>> Announcements tab, in VoiceOver utility. Oh yes, and set the delay to zero.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 30 Sep 2012, at 18:30, Steve Holmes <steve.holme...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Help!!! Something terribly wrong with navigation of tables or something.  
>>>>> When I go to the below site and try and navigate the table, I can't go 
>>>>> down through the remaining rows.  While inside the table of books, I use 
>>>>> the VO-Arrow keys to try and go on down past row 2 but it appears to be 
>>>>> going across the table and then it wraps back to top row again.  What 
>>>>> might I be doing wrong here? I haven't had trouble with tables in HTML 
>>>>> before.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm using 10.8.2.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Esther <mori...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Take Control ebooks, one of the great sources of information for the 
>>>>>> Mac and iOS devices, are on sale for the end of September with a coupon 
>>>>>> code of "CPN20921SEPSALE" (without the quotation marks) that will give a 
>>>>>> 50% discount when applied at check out up through the end of September.  
>>>>>> These books are DRM-free, and are available in both PDF and ePub 
>>>>>> versions.  Furthermore, once you purchase a book, which generally lists 
>>>>>> for $10 or $15, you can get all minor version revisions free and 
>>>>>> re-download alternate formats from your account, and often you can get a 
>>>>>> discount on the new major version of the eBook.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm cc'ing this to the viphone list, because some titles, such as "Take 
>>>>>> Control of iTunes" or even "Take Control of Switching to the Mac", may 
>>>>>> be of interest.  For Mac users, titles such as "Take Control of Apple 
>>>>>> Mail in Mountain Lion",
>>>>>> "Take Control of Using Mountain Lion", "Take Control of Troubleshooting 
>>>>>> Your Mac, Second Edition", "Take Control of the Mac Command Line with 
>>>>>> Terminal" (for learning to use Terminal and unix concepts), "Take 
>>>>>> Control of Backing Up Your Mac", and "Take Control of Your 802.11n 
>>>>>> AirPort Network, Third Edition" (for general Wi-Fi setups and use) might 
>>>>>> be of interest.  These guides are very hands on and practical;  some of 
>>>>>> them have information that I've never found anywhere else.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you log in through their special anniversary sale link, the coupon 
>>>>>> code should get filled in automatically.  This URL is:
>>>>>> http://tid.bl.it/september-sale-mountain-lion
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alternatively, if this web page is busy, you can go to their catalog 
>>>>>> page:
>>>>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can browse the "Take Control" titles in iBooks, if you have an iOS 
>>>>>> device, but the discounted price and the ability to download alternative 
>>>>>> formats and be informed of new, free, updates is only available for 
>>>>>> purchases made through their web site.  (I find it easier to browse the 
>>>>>> titles in iBooks).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll put in a few sample direct links to specific books on their web 
>>>>>> site:
>>>>>> • Take Control of iTunes 10: The FAQ, Second Edition
>>>>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/itunes
>>>>>> • Take Control of Apple Mail in Mountain Lion
>>>>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/mountain-lion-apple-mail
>>>>>> • Take Control of Using Mountain Lion
>>>>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/mountain-lion-using
>>>>>> • Take Control of Switching to the Mac
>>>>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/switching
>>>>>> • Take Control of Backing up Your Mac
>>>>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/backing-up
>>>>>> • Take Control of the Mac Command Line with Terminal
>>>>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/command-line
>>>>>> • Take Control of Your 802.11n AirPort Network, Third Edition
>>>>>> http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/airport-n
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are also good guides for GarageBand, third party apps such as 
>>>>>> Scrivener.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Esther
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -
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