OK so as far as I know there policy is world wide and I bet that people from different country's will have to sue them in there own country! It is a pity we cannot bring a worldwide suit against them or am I wrong on this! And forgive me for not knowing this but where are they based they no doubt have places all over the place! What do people think! Colin
On 10 Oct 2012, at 20:13, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > As much as I hate to say this, I fear you are absolutely correct. When you > try and try and try to talk for years, as we have done, and they don't > listen…well, what is left? > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > On Oct 10, 2012, at 1:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It would be nice if companies would make their products accessible not >> because they have to, but because it's the right thing to do and increases >> their sales. When companies are sued, they usually only do the minimum that >> is required to comply. On the other hand, if a company believes that we are >> consumers like everyone else, and they are losing money because their >> products are not accessible, they will probably devote more resources to >> making their products accessible. The blind community is not as small of a >> market as some think it is. Unfortunately, Amazon seems to have no interest >> in accessibility whatsoever. The most they have provided is a kindle device >> that was not even completely accessible. They refuse to make their iphone >> and android apps accessible, even though both platforms provide clear >> documentation on how to do this. Unfortunately, a law suit may be the only >> option in their case. >> Original message: >>> I, for my part, predict that the NFB will sue Amazon for their behaviour >>> toward us. After all, we're trying to talk to them but they never listen. >>> So, after a while, suing may well be the only option here. Sorry to say. >> >> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >> >>> On Oct 10, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >>> Apparently, aside from voiceover, on the kindle devices themselves, the >>> publisher can decide if they want to allow the user to be able to listen to >>> a book. Amazon should have never bowed to that pressure, they should have >>> told the publishers, we have blind users who need access to these books, >>> we're not disabling the speech features. Sure, the publishers could have >>> refused to license the content at that point, but they would have been >>> shooting themselves in the foot if they had done that. Their newest kindle >>> fire tablets are also not accessible, even though the newest versions of >>> android are completely accessible with the touch screen. Amazon is making >>> it quite clear from their actions that they do not want our business. >>> Original message: >> >> >>> I agree, I've written them at least five times but that's not enough. We >>> should start organising a plan. >>> I'm annoyed at all the ridicules greed driven decisions made against >>> visually impaired and blind people. The fact is the vo or read aloud works >>> on their Kindle so they are'nt worried about sighted people using it >>> instead of audio books, they want us to buy their kindle hardware - which >>> makes no sense whatsoever as the last thing I need is another book reader >>> with a cumbersome screen I can't appreciate. It's bad enough the ebook >>> industry has formed a cartel-like union, inflating eBook prices well above >>> paperback costs, without the production costs, nor the jobs printing books >>> would provide; now they are placing obstacles to accessibility. It's >>> inexcusable. >> >> >> >>> Tammy L. Abreu-Butron >>> (408) 892-1964 mobile >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> [email protected] >>> [email protected] >>> [email protected] >> >> >> >>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 8:22 PM, "Cheree Heppe" <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Cheree Heppe here: >> >> >> >>> The way to stop the discriminatory behaviour is with some old-fashioned >>> letter writing, blogging, senator contacting and maybe, demonstrating. >> >> >> >>> Regards, >>> Cheree Heppe >> >> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Arrigo" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> To: <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 20:05 >>> Subject: Re: Kindle app >> >> >> >>> That is one of the most ridiculous and insane things I have ever heard. >>> It's bad enough that Amazon does not make this app accessible, but, if they >>> are indeed preventing voiceover users from reading the content, that is >>> disgraceful to put it nicely. >>> On Oct 9, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Adrienne Sinclair Chalmers wrote: >> >> >> >>> Actually it's worse than it just won't work, Voiceover has been >>> deliberately disabled by order of those nice folk at Amazon. Their reason >>> seems to be that Voiceover is free and so sighted people might use it to >>> get their books read out to them. Sounds like a load of spurious drivel to >>> me. I wish there was some way to stop this sort of discriminatory behaviour. >> >> >> >>> Best >> >> >> >>> Adrienne >> >> >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en>. >> >> >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en>. >> >> >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en>. >> >> >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en>. >> >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en >>> <http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en>. >> >> >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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