Vo-u is a handy feature. I guess my main sticking point is the lack of a flat representation, so that absolutely every element has to be separated and read individually, with accompanying pauses in speech even with sounds muted. I tried grouping once, but it was much more awkward on forums than dom order so I turned it off. Perhaps I don't really understand how it works? Could you explain that further? On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:46 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <[email protected]> wrote:
> It might just be an opinion thing, but between the rotor, quick navigation by > headings, tables, etc. Plus the fact I turned on Group navigation instead of > dom order, then the item chooser, plus vo+F, vo+G, and Vo+Shift G, I find it > is extremely pleasant of an experience. Again, it's just my opinion, I never > said you had to agree with it. LOL! > > Chris. > > > Thank you kindly, > > Christopher-Mark Gilland. > Founder of CLG Productions > > Blog: > http://www.clgproductions.org > > Podcast: > http://clgproductions.podhoster.com > > E-mail: > [email protected] > > IMessage/Facetime: > [email protected] > > Windows Live Messenger: > [email protected] > > Twitter: > @chris28210 > > Facebook: > http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland > > Skype: > twinklesfriend2007 > > Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: > 704-697-2069 > > Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): > 980-272-8570 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alex Hall > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: mastering the mac > > I'm curious: why do you think windows is clunky compared to the mac? I'm not > trying to start anything, I just want to understand and see if there's some > fundamental thing I'm missing. For instance, when I go to the audiogames.net > forums, I have to vo-right a bunch of times through users' information, On > Windows I have to arrow less, since some of that information is on one line. > However, because it is mostly links, the mac has to separate it all out, > regardless of visual layout. The best browsing experience I have ever had is > NVDA on Firefox with the option to use page layout enabled. In this meant > that links and other controls in text were read along with the text, speeding > up my browsing, particularly in articles with much of their text linking to > other websites. It also helped when links were laid out horizontally, such as > a bar of options above a chunk of text. You could still tab to a link, but if > you wanted to skip all the links it was the matter of a single keypress. On > the mac you must press an arrow for every link, plus one for any static text > between the links such as a vertical bar or comma. > On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:04 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> For the record, I'll say a total 1 80, I think browsing on Windows is the >> most clunky, worst experience I've ever seen. I'll do it if that happens to >> be the computer I'm working currently on at the time, but I'd rather not if >> I could help it. I love y Safari, oh, and let's not forget Google Chrome! >> >> Chris. >> >> >> Thank you kindly, >> >> Christopher-Mark Gilland. >> Founder of CLG Productions >> >> Blog: >> http://www.clgproductions.org >> >> Podcast: >> http://clgproductions.podhoster.com >> >> E-mail: >> [email protected] >> >> IMessage/Facetime: >> [email protected] >> >> Windows Live Messenger: >> [email protected] >> >> Twitter: >> @chris28210 >> >> Facebook: >> http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland >> >> Skype: >> twinklesfriend2007 >> >> Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: >> 704-697-2069 >> >> Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): >> 980-272-8570 >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Alex Hall >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:41 PM >> Subject: Re: mastering the mac >> >> It's not you, I think the web browsing experience is smoother on windows >> because screen readers use a flat representation, so they can do things like >> read text like a document, not stop at links in text, and so on. I prefer >> web browsing on windows, just not enough to sacrifice everything else the >> mac does better. I also like the iCloud tabs feature and really easy >> downloads interface, just not the actual web browsing experience. >> >> As to first letter navigation, just go to the vo utility, the commanders >> category, the quicknav tab, and check the relevant box. Once in a great >> while it will still fail, but you can use vo-cmd with many keys to move >> around if that happens. Vo-cmd-h, for instance, moves to the next heading. >> >> For edit fields, I find they behave oddly with quicknav on. If that happens, >> I just turn it off, type my text, and turn it on if I need it. Between the >> vo-cmd keystrokes and the web rotor (vo-u), though, I don't use quicknav >> much at all anymore. >> On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Kliphton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day >>>> present. I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way >>>> around the OS, and how it worked. Over 18 months later, I'd say I am >>>> pretty good, and can even help others. I know how to inter act with >>>> tables, rename documents, open and close folders and apps, and even a few >>>> advanced things. My biggest challenge has been safari. I use the item >>>> chooser, and have the things in the rotor that I like to navigate by. But >>>> I still find it a little clunky compared to IE. I still have to use >>>> windows to manage my business, but that's all I use it for, and of course >>>> to download torrents. But does anyone have any hints or tips to help me >>>> get over this safari hump? I think my biggest gripe is trying to set up >>>> first letter navigation, and trying to inter text in to edit fields. >>>> Other than that, I think I got it. But all suggestions are welcome please! >>>> >>>> Kliphton Senior >>>> >>>> (Twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >>>> >>>> (iMessage, facetime&Email) [email protected] >>>> >>>> (Life Journal) Kliphton.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> (Sharrie’s ScratchPad) missie844.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) > [email protected] > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. 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