I guess I never thought of it as not intuitive. I guess intuitive or not 
depends partly on what you are expecting. Probably if it was changed now to 
what you consider intuitive, I'd pull my hair out for the first ten minutes or 
so and then I'd eventually forget the switch and come to say that was intuitive.


-- 
Cheryl

May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
be acceptable to You, Lord,
my rock and my Redeemer.
(Psalm 19:14 HCSB)



On Nov 29, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Chris Moore <[email protected]> wrote:

> i am just being picky as web accessibility is my field.  I agree it does not 
> cause any major problems, but it could be made so much better and more 
> intuitive.
> Guess I am going to have to write to the usual Apple departments.
> On 29 Nov 2012, at 20:31, "Daniel Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, I’ll have to have someone look at it with me when I get the chance. 
>> From what I can tell, VoiceOver moves the way it needs to move, but I could 
>> be wrong. I’ve never had any difficulty finding what I want in the store.
>>  
>> From: [email protected] 
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:27 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>  
>> Yes the store uses headings, there are heading 3 and 5, no heading 1 and 2s 
>> etc..  The structure is all wrong.
>>  
>> It could be organised much better.  On screen everything sits where it 
>> should, but voiceover moves from left to right and the store is actually 
>> organised from top to bottom in columns.  
>> On 29 Nov 2012, at 20:19, "Daniel Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Um…the store uses headings, quite well actually. I have no problems.
>>  
>> From: 
>> [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] On 
>> Behalf Of Chris Moore
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 2:18 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>  
>> Have you not heard of playlists?
>>  
>> Also, you can unstick files when listening to playlists or albums etc, the 
>> songs which are not ticked will be skipped and iTunes will then start 
>> playing the next song/podcast etc it comes across within the list which is 
>> ticked.
>>  
>> iTunes 11 also has a new feature to add songs to play next too.
>>  
>> iTunes 11 also now supports the standard Mac OS X keyboard shortcut (command 
>> + F) to find/search. (this shortcut previously placed iTunes in full screen 
>> mode).
>>  
>> I still think the iTunes store is a complete mess.  Does not even follow 
>> standard w3c accessibility guidelines for heading structure.  I am sure 
>> visually it probably looks better, but to a screen reader it is still a bit 
>> of a mess on that home screen.
>>  
>> To be honest, I still prefer iTunes 10, but am sure 11 will grow on me.
>>  
>> Chris 
>> On 29 Nov 2012, at 19:56, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Well, what I mean is that I wanted to be able to locate a file using finder 
>> and cue it up in ITunes to play after the current file.  I know that, ITunes 
>> has never allowed files to be play in that way.
>>  
>>  
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>  
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:44 PM, "Daniel Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you mean directly from the finder? I never knew you could even do 
>> that.
>> Also, for windows users, the menu bar is hidden by default, and refuses to 
>> read with jaws when you show it.
>>  
>> From: 
>> [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] On 
>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:40 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>  
>> Well, you see, I had a problem.  Every single time I tried to add files to 
>> my last ITunes Library, (this was just prior to my totally fresh OS 
>> reinstall), ITunes would crash every single time if it was not permitted to 
>> add the files themselves to the Library.
>>  
>> What about playing files directly from the finder with Itunes 11?  Is this 
>> possible?  
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>  
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, "Daniel Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From a Mac perspective, things are much cleaner when it comes to navigating 
>> around the UI. On Windows, there’s even more tabbing around than there used 
>> to be, and that annoys me. Thankfully, however, I use it primarily on the 
>> Mac.
>> As far as libraries, yes, it still uses them, although I’m not quite sure 
>> why you’d need 2 copies of each file. You can tell iTunes to not place the 
>> files in the media folder itself when you copy them to the library, 
>> therefore freeing up that drive space you say you lose.
>>  
>> From: 
>> [email protected][mailto:[email protected]] On 
>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 1:18 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>>  
>> What are the primary differences we can expect in ITunes 11 from what you've 
>> seen so far?
>>  
>> I am operating on the assumption that this version of ITunes is still as 
>> library dependant as the other versions have been.  IF so, it will mean 
>> that, when I start rebuilding my audio collection from scratch again, and if 
>> this collection consists of files I record myself, I will need to have two 
>> copies of each file; one in the original location and the other in my ITunes 
>> library.  I'd really rather not do that.
>>  
>> Clutters up drive space.
>>  
>>  
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac user!
>>  
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:10 PM, "Daniel Miller" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can say it works amazing with VO, not so much so on the Windows side of
>> things.
>> Everything's perfectly accessible, buttons are labeled, etc.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Ring
>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 12:23 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: Re: itunes 11 is out
>> 
>> I love the fact that any Mac can be made blind friendly so easily.
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Mary Otten <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Subject line says it all. Itunes 11 with simplified player and redesigned
>> store is now available for download. I haven't tried it yet and don't plan
>> to until my husband puts it on his Mac and I can see how it works with vo.
>> Oh the joys of having the screen reader built in to all Macs!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> Mary Otten
>> [email protected]
>> 
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