Hello, No one specifically asks for *your* help. Not to say that your help isn't valuable, but no one demands that you help. If someone does, then you are perfectly within your right to charge. But, this isn't "the list of Christopher-Mark Gilland" where you freely offer your help to all who demand it, but a list of many people who offer help to one another because we are all Mac users.
You appear to own a business, as it seems from your signature. So let me ask, though you may not respond: what motivation do businesses have to develop these programs to help blind people. What will keep the lights on? Who will pay the creditors? If a business is specifically focused on helping the blind and visually impaired, then should that business run on good will alone? This is actually a problem I have with free services. WebVissum would not be running if enough people did not see that it cost to run such a service, and freely chose to donate to them, so that others did not have to. If everyone had your attitude, that it *should* be free, then it would not run for more than a few months, most likely. Or else, the developers would pour more and more money into it as it got more popular, and have no return, which would mean that they would not be able to offer anything to new developers to join their team, and would have to find alternative ways of funding the project, leaving less hours to develop the project itself. That means, it would become gradually worse, gradually less able to meet the needs of the blind people using it. I chose a different business model. Everything we do is worth something. There is a definite and real cost to running the business. Our users respect that and respect our work by paying for our service. If you choose not to, that is perfectly within your prerogative— no one is forcing you to do so. But to say that I *should* pour my own money into the project, without any hope of a return, just because it *should* be freely available for blind people, is rather presumptuous. Our economy, perhaps unfortunately, runs on currency, and so we need to earn currency for the services we offer. I have trouble believing that you cannot see this point, that, for instance, the developers of JAWS *should* give it away for free, despite the thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of hours poured into that piece of software. Let me tell you something, whether or not you will admit it, the Mac is a bit more expensive *because* it includes VoiceOver. The hours put into creating and developing VoiceOver had to be paid— the developer's salaries had to be paid. Without that cost, it would have been cheaper, because it would be cheaper to make. Maybe only $25, or $50, but it is something. You, in fact, are paying to use VoiceOver, because Apple factored that price into the price of their computers. If you are a business owner, I hope that this logic is obvious to you, because it is business management 101. Regards, Brandon Olivares Azavia Technologies ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader On Dec 1, 2012, at 9:49 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" <[email protected]> wrote: > OK fine. I wasn't gonna write more on this thread, but you all've now gone > one step too far. You all think it's fair to charge for computer things, I > wasn't gonna say anything more, but fine, you want my help on list any more? > Pay me and I'll offer my input. How's that, since all of you want me to pay > for services. Lookat! It's not about the quanity nor is it about the 18 > cents. It's about my opinion, just as you all're entitled to your opinions > for this discussion, does that not therefore give me the right of a different > opinion? I'm sick and tired of every time someone else on this list > disagrees with another member, it's overlooked. Yet, when I make even one > little thing that people disagree with, you chop off my cahoanis! So... if I > get banned from the list because of my decision to only go one way at this > point, that's really not my problem. It's the moderators' loss. I will say > that however, I'm done with offerring help. Maybe down the road I will, but > at this time, you want help? since you think help is so valueable and that > blind people should pay for things sighted folks don't have to, then perhaps > you'll appreciate that I refuse to help anyone else on or off list without > being paid. > > Happy now? Deal with it! For those who did appreciate my help, I apologize, > but blame it on the jerks who are not greatful for the help and knowledge one > can obtain. > > For another thing: Windows has nothing to do with Apple, so trying to > compare, as you did isn't in my view a fair justification for your words, but > since you insist on going there. Yes, Brandon and others, You're damn > straight! I do! feel o c r should be free. > > Should screen readers be free? Yes! Why do you think I hardly ever use JFW > anymore. God forbid, I'd rather use Orca, NVDA, or something open source. > Apple has put an immense! shit load of accessibility into their products, but > do they charge us extra but not charge sighted people equally to opporate > their products? I didn't? think so! OK, point made. > > My rates are normally $15 an hour, which considerring most would charge > upward of 30 or higher, that's pretty darn cheap. So, if you want my help > any further, let me know and we'll arrange a payment. Otherwise thanks to > you all's bashing of me for the past few months straight, I'm not saying > anything more. You all figure it out yourselves! I wash my hands of helping > you all! Maybe I have a bad attitude, but dont' bash me, and you wont' have > to then see it! It's one thing to disagree, but it's entirely another to > disagree and be completely rude about it, as a ton of you are being. > Thank you kindly, > > Christopher-Mark Gilland. > Founder of CLG Productions > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine Olivares > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac. > > Hey, > I would totally understand what you are saying if the Captcha costed > something like $5 per image, but give me a break? It's only 18 cents. If you > have a successful business for blind people, you wouldn't have one with the > attitude you have. If you didn't charge anything, your business would go up > in smoke. HOw do you think Freedom Scientific does their development? If they > did everything for free, then there wouldn't be much for those that don't use > a Mac. I was a JAWS user until I got the Mac, and I would have been lost > without it. > > Just because you are blind doesn't mean you should have everything given to > you for free. just call Humanware and talk to them. they would tell you the > same thing. Services like this charge hundreds for Braille note takers, and > you are complaining about 18 cents? > > Those free Captcha services don't have a future as much because they are > free. I would appreciate that there is something that is inexpensive and will > b around for a while. > > Being visually impaired, I think some things should be free, but i also think > some things should charge too. This is one of these things. > > Thanks, > Christine > On Nov 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I don't mean to be rude, but why should we pay 18 cents per captcha just as >> a result of being blind? Sighted people all day long can do these things >> without having to pay. >> >> Isn't this kind of unfair to exclude blind people as doing it for free when >> there are services like Web Visum etc. that will do it for free? Granted, >> they mainly only now work on Windows, for what it's worth, but the bottom >> line is, as long as you can access them, they're free. >> >> Thank you kindly, >> >> Christopher-Mark Gilland. >> Founder of CLG Productions >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Brandon Olivares >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 8:43 PM >> Subject: Re: captcha solving service for the mac. >> >> Hello, >> >> Not to advertise, but I run a captcha service that runs on any platform. It >> is called ZCaptcha, and you can find it here: http://www.azavia.com/zcaptcha >> >> It's all that I know of that works on the Mac. It is what I use myself. >> >> Regards, >> Brandon Olivares >> Azavia Technologies >> ZCaptcha — The Captcha Reader >> >> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Jessica Moss <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know if there's a captcha solving service for the mac yet? >>> I've done google searches for them and can't seem to find much, but found >>> some tool of sort called Rumola, that I can't get up and running, so I'm >>> really glad I didn't pay them after my free credits they give you run out. >>> It's supposed to auto-fill them, but it never did what it was supposed to, >>> so have no idea what to make of that, so if anyone knows of anything else, >>> I'd appreciate your feedback, sense I really don't want to have to go back >>> to my pc just to do this, and nothing else. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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