Hi Harry, I don't have a solution yet, but I found out something new. Most buttons are spoken and thus found by voiceover, but this particular settings button is in an inaccessible sidebar, left from top to bottom. My wife sat down with me to take a look and so we found out. So, it seems that this very sidebar is a custom control, that voiceover has no access to whatsoever. Neither voiceover speak the caption of settings, nor any other element in that sidebar.
Unfortunately, the tab key does not work either in this CrashPlan app. Maybe the cursor gets moved, but VoiceOver cannot track their cursor. I don't know if that is java specific either, or if it is this particular java application that does something non-standard with the sidebar. I did have success with the trackpad, by configuring voiceover to have the voiceover cursor, follow the mouse, when that gets moved. So now, if I touch the trackpad, then that of course moves the mouse, and I can hear what I'm on. This at least gives a good feel for how the screen is layed out visually. However, this gets us nowhere still, when trying to find and click settings. While most other important elements on the app are nicely labeled, meaning that there are no unlabeled buttons etc, everything gets spoken, except the items in this sidebar, where settings is one of its children. So thanks Harry for your tips. The developer might know more, so one of these days, I'll drop them a more specific email, hoping they will indeed take a look. Even though this is java, a problem like this shouldn't be that hard to fix. One simple hotkey for each of the elements in the sidebar would already solve this, without having them to rethink the visuals. Another possibility could be for them to turn the sidebar into tab controls or just regular buttons. If any of you reads this, please don't give up on CrashPlan. Their pricing is very attractive. For example, they don't charge you per computer, but if you have several machines, up to ten, you can back them up using one single family plan for $119, and including all their externally attached drives. That's awesome, so I won't give up on them and I'll keep you up to date here. Paul. On Dec 14, 2012, at 12:58 AM, Harry Hogue <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul, > > An idea I have, that I sometimes use on websites that request I press "More…" > to read the rest of a review, for example, is to physically move the trackpad > to the item with my finger, just as someone visually would, then click the > trackpad once or twice, depending on the situation. One click usually does > the trick, it seems. This has worked for me where the other two options you > mentioned have not. To use this option, you need to set your VoiceOver > preferences to zero on announce mouse focus after delay. I think that is > what it is called. I believe it is under the navigation menu option in VO > Utility. > > I hope this helps. I do not know if it is Java specific, though. > > Please let us know how it goes. It sounds like a wonderful service, and I > particularly appreciate the back-up option. > > Harry > > On dic 13, 2012, at 2:27 p.m., Paul Erkens <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi listers, >> >> I started using CrashPlan. It's an off-site backup solution, not expensive, >> and very attractive. The idea is that you have all your stuff automatically >> and continually backed up, just like you can do with time machine, but now >> to a data center that holds your data. If something would ever happen to >> your place, where the backup hard disk is normally stored, then you would be >> out of luck. With this online but off-site solution, you're safe. >> You can even do t n o, which is trust no one encryption, where you specify a >> password with which the data will be encrypted before being sent off to the >> CrashPlan data centers, so only you can open the backup archive if you need >> to. Just a matter of having that possibility, rather than really needing it >> as a normal home person. Their little client program is cross platform, so >> it runs in windows and the mac, as well as another few systems. >> >> Sometimes on the mac, I find well labeled buttons in this java program, that >> I can not activate using vo space. Using the vo command f5 keystroke to >> route the mouse to the vo cursor, and then hitting vo shift space, sometimes >> does the job, depending on which button you're on. >> >> What I want to know is this. It happens that I move the mouse to the vo >> cursor, and voiceover perfectly speaks the text I think I moved the mouse >> to. However, when clicking the mouse, either using the trackpad corner or vo >> shift space, the mouse pointer appears to be on the apple menu, for that is >> what opens then, and not the dialog behind the button I was trying to click. >> Does any of you know how to handle this type of situation? There is a >> button, you vo space it, nothing happens. You route the mouse to the vo >> cursor, you vo shift space, and something completely unrelated opens, though >> VoiceOver speaks the text I moved the mouse to. What's going on here? Is >> this java specific? 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