John, I said that I was sorry you didn't like my opinion. I can't offer you
nor anyone else anything more. And thus, I won't. This thread is over as
far as I am concerned. I'll reply to this last batch that has come in,
should there be any more, but past that, I'm done with it.
I said how I felt. If you don't like my opinion, that's fine. You are
entitled to your's, but this also means I am entitled to mine. I'm gonna
agree to disagree with you respectfully and drop it from here. Please do
not anyone write me about this off list.
John, We're undoubtedly not gonna see eye to eye on this, it's obvious, as
my opinion is sound and will not be shaken, so let's just agree to disagree.
OK? I don't want this thread getting out of hand.
Thank you kindly,
Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Panarese" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: macvisionaries list
So complaining about it and pointing out what has been discussed here
a few times by others will do what? I have two other friends waiting to get
their subscriptions approved as well. As someone who moderates his own
list, I can tell you that it's difficult enough to always have a handle on
things, especially if you have other things going on in your life. This
list as a heck of a lot larger than mine, and both mods here, who I do know,
have plenty going on in their lives. Again, be patient and it will be taken
care of by them. If the way they handle this list is objectionable to you,
there are other lists out there then. Just write to the mods off list again
and they will take care of it when they can. Otherwise, complaining about
it is only taking up bandwidth and inbox space at this point.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, [email protected]
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:28 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
<[email protected]> wrote:
John, I do have respect, and I apologize if you were offended at my
comment, but what you need to understand is that this hasn't been going on
just in your word, his word, over the holiday. This has been going on for
over a year that the mod hasn't seemd to really be very responding with
myself, and it isn't just me. I have a lot of other friends who also have
been having issues over the past year or so since the beginning of 2012
which have not been answered. Under normal cercumstance John, I'd be
right with you in saying that my mail was quite disrespectful in nature.
In this particular case however, I feel it is justified, as things just
are not seeming to get delt with. Again, as I initially said: I
understand holiday travel, believe me, and I also totally understand that
people have lives aside just managing the list, believe you me, but how
much patients must one show? As I said, 3 months to be approved? One year
without a mod responding to people like myself etc? I have nothing but
respect for the mods. I'd hope you'd know that, but what I don't however
have any respect for is people who don't live up to their job. Again, I'm
willing to open mouth, insert foot, but right now, at least, this has been
my observation for quite some time on going. With that said, all I can
offer you and others is my apology. If I've offended anyone, I'm sorry,
but I have the utmost intention to stick to my guns until proven
otherwise.
Thank you kindly,
Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Panarese" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: macvisionaries list
I believe that one of the moderators explained to the list that he'd be
traveling over the holidays and would not be able to check his mail often.
I'm sure that any issues or list business will be taken care by him when
he is able to check his mail/have internet access. How about showing a
little patience and respect for the guy?
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, [email protected]
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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On Dec 31, 2012, at 1:56 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"
<[email protected]> wrote:
I don't mean to be rude either, but it appears that the mods don't really
seem to manage this list hardly at all as they need to do. I don't wanna
tell them their jobs, as that isn't my place, but if he has to be
invited, which wouldn't surprise me, I doubt he's gonna get on very
quickly.
I'm just gonna say the bold truth. If the mods don't like me doing so,
then, take better management. It's not rocket science. You don't want a
bad name, then don't give yourselves one.
I have a friend who tried joining, and it literally took 3 months before
the mods approved his subscription. By then, he'd already forgotten
about it, given up, and said screw it, I don't really want on the list
after all anymore anyway.
I've asked things like this, or how to get ahold of the mods many many
times, and no list member seems to answer, nor really know. Not to
mention, when I've asked the mods before to contact me, they never have.
If this were truely a matter of Chris, you need to wait, and be more
patient. They have lives, you know... that would be one thing, but this
is about the 4th or 5th time I've seen list administration questions come
up, which never get answered. As for your specific friend's question, I
wish I could give you a more concreet answer, but I honestly can't. I'm
just writing to say, once they're on the list, they're fine, unless a
problem arises, which fortunately almost never does, but if one does,
good frickin luck! It's driven me so crazy a few times, I've almost
recently considerred leaving the list. I'm not quite yet to that point
of decision, but I'm slowly but surely considering it. I really don't
want a list that isn't seemingly at least, managed at all. If I'm in the
wrong, I'll be happy to open mouth, and insert foot, but from what I see,
I'm not incorrect in my thought process.
Anyway, good luck.
Thank you kindly,
Christopher-Mark Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Hall" <[email protected]>
To: "macvisionaries" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 1:16 PM
Subject: Fwd: macvisionaries list
I'm not sure how to respond. Does anyone know how he could get on this
list? See below. Thanks.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gery Gaubert <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 11:47:45 -0600
Subject: macvisionaries list
To: [email protected]
I tried to subscribe and got a message that said I had to be invited to
join the macvisionaries list. How do I go about getting invited?
Thanks!
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Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from GMail website)
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