Karen, Why are you so invested in insulting the rest of the world? I think that you've made your point quite clearly. The fact that some of us may not agree with you does not mean that we are all self-pitying, unscrupulous, thieves. Donna On Jan 21, 2013, at 8:22 AM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote:
> But it can. even more independently than the reprehensible excuse for > stealing that is blindi-TV. > Depending of course on how the individual in question experiences their > blindness and writes their dictionary of independence. > Surely you do not think all individuals with a sight loss diagnoses are > exactly the same? the definition alone makes that perspective impossible, > limited, and counter productive. > As a post I shared ages back expressed, all humans are dependent on each > other in one fashion or another. This is more beneficial to understand > than creating false concepts of any experience that translate into exclusion. > especially based on someone Else's definition of independence. > > us who? lol! > > > On Mon, 21 Jan 2013, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> But, if that content cannot be independently accessed by a blind individual, >> then it's value to us decreases significantly. >> Donna >> On Jan 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> consider asking for a supervisor Alex, it is a Holiday down there tomorrow >>> smiles. >>> Still it is support that the claim regarding described content being >>> virtually nonexistent made by the blinditv people is very wrong. >>> I feel sure the list is older, it goes back to early October of last year. >>> the link from the aCB site which I can post too lists things by the day, >>> but it is a google drive application. >>> I can share the link anyway though if there is interest . >>> Karen >>> >>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the lists. I'll have to call up Time Warner tomorrow and see >>>> what they have to say regarding enabling described content, then test it >>>> out Tuesday when Big Bang Theory is on (as that's the only show on the >>>> list that interests me). Who knows, they might have more content available >>>> now, though I doubt that the Syfy channel makes it into the top tier. >>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, >>>>> last one tonight. a tiny bit of data and I do mean tiny. >>>>> >>>>> The 21st Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of >>>>> 2010 reinstates the FCC's involvement in providing rules for >>>>> video description. Under the rules, affiliates in the top 25 >>>>> markets and the top five-rated cable networks will have to >>>>> provide at least 50 hours of video described programming per >>>>> quarter, starting July 1, 2012.^[8] >>>>> >>>>> this translates into at least 4 hours per week. >>>>> Now, this is only a swift listing and is slightly dated. >>>>> You will note that TBS has big bang theory in reruns, given this >>>>> list was about 3 months into the rules it makes sense that CBS would be >>>>> running them now too. >>>>> >>>>> ABC: >>>>> * Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23 >>>>> * Extreme Makeover: Home Edition >>>>> * Happy Endings >>>>> * Last Man Standing >>>>> * The Middle >>>>> * Modern Family >>>>> * Nashville >>>>> * The Neighbors >>>>> * Secret Millionaire >>>>> * Shark Tank >>>>> * Suburgatory >>>>> >>>>> CBS: >>>>> * Criminal Minds >>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation >>>>> * NCIS >>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles >>>>> >>>>> Disney Channel: >>>>> * A.N.T. Farm >>>>> * Austin & Ally >>>>> * Doc McStuffins >>>>> * Dog With a Blog >>>>> * Fish Hooks >>>>> * Good Luck Charlie >>>>> * Gravity Falls >>>>> * Jake and the Never Land Pirates >>>>> * Jessie >>>>> * Little Einsteins >>>>> * Mickey Mouse Clubhouse >>>>> * Phineas and Ferb >>>>> * Shake It Up >>>>> >>>>> Fox: >>>>> * American Dad! >>>>> * Bob's Burgers >>>>> * Bones >>>>> * The Cleveland Show >>>>> * Family Guy >>>>> * The Following >>>>> * Glee >>>>> * Hell's Kitchen >>>>> * Hotel Hell >>>>> * Kitchen Nightmares >>>>> * MasterChef >>>>> * The Mindy Project >>>>> * New Girl >>>>> * The Simpsons >>>>> >>>>> NBC: >>>>> * 30 Rock >>>>> * Animal Practice >>>>> * Betty White's Off Their Rockers >>>>> * Chicago Fire >>>>> * Community >>>>> * Deception >>>>> * Go On >>>>> * Grimm >>>>> * Guys with Kids >>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit >>>>> * Parenthood >>>>> * Saving Hope >>>>> * The Office >>>>> * Parks and Recreation >>>>> * Up All Night >>>>> * Whitney >>>>> >>>>> Nickelodeon: >>>>> * The Backyardigans >>>>> * Bubble Guppies >>>>> * Dora the Explorer >>>>> * The Fairly OddParents >>>>> * Go, Diego, Go! >>>>> * Max and Ruby >>>>> * Mike the Knight >>>>> * Ned's Declassified School Survival Guide >>>>> * Rugrats >>>>> * Splatalot! >>>>> * Team Umizoomi >>>>> >>>>> TBS: >>>>> * The Big Bang Theory (reruns) >>>>> * Tyler Perry's For Better or Worse >>>>> * Tyler Perry's House of Payne >>>>> >>>>> TNT: >>>>> * The Closer >>>>> * Law & Order (reruns) >>>>> >>>>> Turner Classic Movies: >>>>> >>>>> * Various films, listed on WGBH's DVS page on TCM >>>>> >>>>> USA Network: >>>>> * Common Law >>>>> * Covert Affairs >>>>> * CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (reruns) >>>>> * Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (reruns) >>>>> * NCIS (reruns) >>>>> * NCIS: Los Angeles (reruns) >>>>> * Psych >>>>> * Royal Pains >>>>> * Suits >>>>> Again its dated, but see what I mean? >>>>> Karen >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> At the risk of being off-topic, could you provide us with some popular >>>>>> shows that have audio description? Specifically, I enjoy Star Trek, >>>>>> Doctor Who, Star Gate (well, I would enjoy that one were it described), >>>>>> and the CBS show The Big Bang Theory. To my knowledge, none of these are >>>>>> ever described. If they are, I would love to know about it. I can figure >>>>>> out how to enable the descriptions if indeed there are descriptions to >>>>>> be heard, but I don't think these shows regularly air with any >>>>>> descriptions. Perhaps my cable company (TWC) would know, but I have >>>>>> never had much luck asking basic tech support about accessibility - they >>>>>> never seem to know what I'm talking about. I do agree that blind people >>>>>> cannot have it both ways, but exactly what are we supposed to do in the >>>>>> years it takes standard programming to become accessible? >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> depending on where you are, the source of your programming, your cable >>>>>>> provider or satellites provider is required to make that work for you. >>>>>>> In fact you can file an FCC complaint now if they do not. >>>>>>> Additionally, efforts going on to make those menus work easily will not >>>>>>> get much support if people are just going to circulate avenues to >>>>>>> stolen property. >>>>>>> And you wonder why the author's guild fears making books work? >>>>>>> What is keeping programs with audio descriptions from getting >>>>>>> sponsorship the way captioning does? >>>>>>> The attitude that those getting the description do not deserve to be >>>>>>> treated like the rest of the consumer marketplace. >>>>>>> They can and will just steal it and circulate it as if this is >>>>>>> perfectly fine. >>>>>>> You cannot have it both ways, either you deserve a respected place at >>>>>>> the audience market table regardless of how differently you view that >>>>>>> table, or you deserve the stolen crumbs from that table. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for that. If I can figure out how the menus on my TV work, I >>>>>>>> will certainly use what the FCC has provided. >>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:32 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you bet it really matters. >>>>>>>>> And yes they do. >>>>>>>>> As of July 2012, all five broadcast networks and the same cable >>>>>>>>> networks must provide audio described content, and they are doing i, >>>>>>>>> every single week. >>>>>>>>> all television stations in the top 25 markets stateside must provide >>>>>>>>> the content as well...with additional markets joining each year. >>>>>>>>> why should anyone invest in population who is simply going to steal >>>>>>>>> property. >>>>>>>>> cable providers and satellites providers must insure that you can >>>>>>>>> access the described content. >>>>>>>>> I do not have the link to post now, but program listings and details >>>>>>>>> are on the ACB website. >>>>>>>>> frankly I find this exclusionary and distasteful. >>>>>>>>> consumers who happen to score differently on an eye chart, must be >>>>>>>>> segregated to stolen property on the Internet Never mind that >>>>>>>>> Hollywood films and television shows air each week with described >>>>>>>>> content. >>>>>>>>> are you so lacking in personal dignity that you feel stolen property >>>>>>>>> is all you deserve? >>>>>>>>> Especially since the entire thing could be done legally? >>>>>>>>> Is to some extent already. >>>>>>>>> No one is going to value you if you do not value yourselves, document >>>>>>>>> that there is a market, use what the FCC is doing to enhance the >>>>>>>>> ability for everyone to enjoy television as they choose. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Devin Prater wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hmm. Does it really matter? No one else seems to provide this, do >>>>>>>>>> they? >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 7:03 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ahem, >>>>>>>>>>> they do have the legal right to run this service with this content? >>>>>>>>>>> Karen >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2013, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Are their any UK channels? Do you think we could have an IOS App >>>>>>>>>>>> so that we can watch this service anywhere we go and we're not >>>>>>>>>>>> tied to the computer? I like this service. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kawal. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jan 2013, at 07:51 PM, Devin Prater <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like this service. Its pretty good, I can finally watch >>>>>>>>>>>>> sci-fi, and therefore can watch star trek! :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Matt Dierckens >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have been given permission to post about this from another >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. This is a great service. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check it out and please spread the word. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you ever wanted to watch TV with audio description but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't get the track on your tv? Well, now you can...sort of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a look at this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.blindy.tv >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This project was created so that everyone could watch TV >>>>>>>>>>>>>> episodes with audio description. Every show (except the brain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> channel) has described content. You can switch channels just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like with an actual TV. So far, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their are 5 channels. Comedy, Drama, Si-fi, Brain and ETC. More >>>>>>>>>>>>>> may be added if needed. Each show is either 30 or 60 minutes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> long. After the show their are commercials (better than on TV, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can promise you that), a news segment or comedy skit, and some >>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrumental music at the top and bottom of each hour. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To access this place, you can do one of two things: You can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> either go to the website linked above and used the web players, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or, if you'd rather listen in your media player of choice, place >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this link into it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will load all channels, and you can use the next and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous controls to move through the different channels. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blindy.tv/all.m3u >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please give any suggestions or criticisms you have. Feedback is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> always welcome. If you like the service, let us know. If you do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not, tell us what we could do to fix it up. Please spread the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> word if you like it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enjoy! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my mac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: matt692 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> 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