I agree. Cheers, Donna On Aug 8, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote:
> Oh, I'm not saying amazon should be off the hook. Not at all. I think they > should be required to make their device accessible just like everyone else. > Really though, it's a shame that it may take a requirement from the > government to make this happen. Usually when it's required, the company only > does the minimum required to satisfy the requirement. They should make it > accessible because it's the right thing to do and increases their consumer > base. When a company does something because they want to, rather than because > they have to, usually the result is much better. > Original message: >> Right. But why does that let Amazon off the hook? >> Donna >> Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> There are other choices. The newest versions of android are just as >>> accessible, and these are made by several manufacturers. >>> Original message: >>>> Hi all, > >>>> I really have to agree with Eric, here. In response to Barry, what Apple >>>> did with the iPhone 3Gs was to make a main-stream device accessible to us. >>>> And yes, that still has the potential to level the playing field . But >>>> the playing field is hardly level if Apple is the only company doing this, >>>> if for no other reason than what that means is that blind consumers would >>>> only have one choice. I agree with Bary. I love my Apple products and >>>> have absolutely no interest in personally owning a Kindle. But I work >>>> with lots of students who do have them. Kindle does a lot more in >>>> textbooks than other e-text providers, which means that people will want >>>> to buy these devices for school. Isn't it reasonable to strive to have >>>> the same level of choice in our mobile technology as our sighted peers? >>>> Sandy is right, there's a big gap between the ideal and the current >>>> reality, but that's a big reason why I think it's worth doing everything >>>> we can to stop Amazon from getting this waiver. Barry may be correct, and >>>> that all our comments may be for naught. However, the only way we'll know >>>> is to try. >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:01 AM, eric oyen <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us >>>>> penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live >>>>> the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept >>>>> anything less? > >>>>> -eric > >>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >>>>>> I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, >>>>>> everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing field. It’s >>>>>> funny how quickly perspectives change. > >>>>>> Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not be >>>>>> level until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap in >>>>>> existence. >>>>>> I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire to >>>>>> use anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it would >>>>>> be a very good think if other companies would realize the importance of >>>>>> opening their products up to other segments of society and not excluding >>>>>> them. I just don’t think that this is going to convince them. > >>>>>> I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it seems to me at >>>>>> times that there are factions under their roof that don’t seem to >>>>>> understand the importance of accessibility or what Voiceover is even >>>>>> used for. On the other hand, I think that there is a much larger >>>>>> faction at Apple that definitely gets it and that the evidence to >>>>>> support this is over whelming. I realize that not every body can listen >>>>>> to them, but there were some very impressive sessions at WWDC on the >>>>>> importance of accessibility and how easy it really is to not only make >>>>>> an app usable to a blind person, but make it a nice experience to use. > >>>>>> I would like to suggest, that just maybe, if a government agency needs >>>>>> to step in to private inderestry and dictate to a company how their >>>>>> product is required to function, the result probably won’t be something >>>>>> you are going to want to use. > >>>>>> I think that we as a blind community have access to more information >>>>>> then at any other time in history. And, while things can always be >>>>>> better, maybe some gratitude is in order for the really good things that >>>>>> some companies like Apple have done. > > >>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Richard Ring <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> And, let's face it! Not all blind people can afford i devices, nor >>>>>>> should they have to! Having a relatively inexpensive Ereader would >>>>>>> really help to level the playing field! > > >>>>>>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >>>>>>> Fielding >>>>>>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Hi there >>>>>>>> Yes, and we all know which "disability" they are talking about, and >>>>>>>> it's not the disabled they are talking about either. They are talking >>>>>>>> about the blind, but of course, they didn't say so. They might as well >>>>>>>> have. After all, most of the other disabilities can read the print. >>>>>>>> When I heard about this law, I had a feeling this kind of thing was >>>>>>>> going to start with the "we can't" people. > >>>>>>>> Hey, I guess you guys noticed how they want to solve the accessibility >>>>>>>> problem, right! They want to let Apple carrying them along by saying >>>>>>>> we can all use iPads etc.! >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Gigi > >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Gigi > >>>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Mike Arrigo <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I can't believe the FCC would even consider that. They should say, >>>>>>>>> absolutely not. These devices must be made accessible, end of story. >>>>>>>>> Original message: >>>>>>>>>> Hello all: > >>>>>>>>>> In follow-up to Karen's post last night, I am posting information >>>>>>>>>> regarding FCC's request for comments on this issue. I hope that many >>>>>>>>>> of you will take the time to comment. >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>> Request for Comment on Petition for Class Waiver of Accessibility >>>>>>>>>> Rules for ACS > >>>>>>>>>> On August 1, 2013, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) >>>>>>>>>> released a Public Notice requesting comment on a petition filed by >>>>>>>>>> the Coalition of E-Reader Manufacturers. The Coalition requests that >>>>>>>>>> the Commission waive its rules requiring equipment used for advanced >>>>>>>>>> communications services (ACS) to be accessible by people with >>>>>>>>>> disabilities. The Coalition states that, although e-readers are >>>>>>>>>> equipment that consumers can use for ACS, they are designed >>>>>>>>>> primarily for reading. > >>>>>>>>>> To distinguish e-readers from tablets and other devices that would >>>>>>>>>> not be subject to the waiver request, the Coalition requests a >>>>>>>>>> waiver for e-readers that have the following features: > >>>>>>>>>> (1) they have no LCD screen; >>>>>>>>>> (2) they have no camera; >>>>>>>>>> (3) they are not offered or shipped to consumers with built-in ACS >>>>>>>>>> client applications and their manufacturers do not develop ACS >>>>>>>>>> applications for their respective devices, though the devices may >>>>>>>>>> include a browser and social media applications; and >>>>>>>>>> (4) they are marketed to consumers as reading devices and >>>>>>>>>> promotional material does not tout the capability to access ACS. > >>>>>>>>>> Comment Deadline: September 3, 2013 >>>>>>>>>> Reply Comment Deadline: September 13, 2013 > >>>>>>>>>> Links to the Public Notice (including filing instructions): > > >>>>>>>>>> (PDF) >>>>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf >>>>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf> >>>>>>>>>> (Word) >>>>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc >>>>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc> >>>>>>>>>> (Text) >>>>>>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt >>>>>>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt> > >>>>>>>>>> Link to the Coalition Petition (May 15, 2013): >>>>>>>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526 >>>>>>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526> > >>>>>>>>>> Link to the Letter Supplementing the Coalition Petition (July 17, >>>>>>>>>> 2013): http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307 >>>>>>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307> > >>>>>>>>>> For further information, please contact Eliot Greenwald at (202) >>>>>>>>>> 418-2235 [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>; 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