I can confirm this Michael, but it behaves itself if you want to use the 
classic view. Would be worth reporting it as a bug though.
Jonathan Mosen
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On 23/10/2013, at 3:38 pm, Michael Marshall <[email protected]> wrote:

> hey all,
> i’m using mail and when i hit VO J to interact with a message first it will 
> say “interact with enbedded” if i do it a second time i interact with text. 
> to get back to the message table i have to VO J twice. still usible but 
> strange.
> 
> Michael 
> On 23 Oct 2013, at 12:39 pm, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks very much for that Alex.
>> I have never used Classic View before today, but you’re right, enabling it 
>> has allowed me to turn some of this stuff off. I do wish VO didn’t speak the 
>> field before the contents of each field, but at least it’s a little better 
>> than what I had.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>> http://Mosen.org
>> 
>> On 23/10/2013, at 2:30 pm, Alex Hall <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am not running OS 10.9 yet, but it sounds like you have disabled Classic 
>>> View. I don't use that feature, but what you describe - the ability to 
>>> decide exactly what get spoken with each message - is Classic View 
>>> behavior. Open Mail Preferences, and see if you can find the Classic View 
>>> setting checkbox. That might work, I am not sure.
>>> On Oct 22, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Jonathan Mosen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone, so far I must say I’m disappointed with Mail in Mavericks.
>>>> Mail in Mavericks has become way to chatty for my tastes and I’m hoping 
>>>> I’ve just missed a setting to make it stop.
>>>> In Mountain Lion, I had my message list set up so all I heard was the 
>>>> sender, and the subject. If there was an attachment, I heard that too. Now 
>>>> it seems the time that the message was sent and some other stuff that just 
>>>> slows me down is included and I haven’t found a way to turn it off.
>>>> Second, the number of messages in a conversation is now spoken at the end, 
>>>> after the message header details and the message preview. I’d prefer the 
>>>> old behaviour, where I heard how big the conversation was at the very 
>>>> beginning.
>>>> And finally, I used to get from my message list to the email i wanted to 
>>>> read by pressing VO+J. The message would immediately start to read. Now it 
>>>> seems a first press of VO+J does nothing at all, and to do the same thing 
>>>> that once took 1 press of VO+J now takes three. I think this latter one is 
>>>> a bug.
>>>> I’ve really enjoyed using Mail in Mountain Lion but if I can’t get the 
>>>> chatty behaviour under control, will run Outlook in a VM.
>>>> Thanks for any thoughts.
>>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>>> Mosen Consulting
>>>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
>>>> http://Mosen.org
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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>>> 
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