Hi,

I think what Greg trying to say is the different from the visual and what VO 
reads or may not read.


Joanne Chua
The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
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> On 26 Oct 2013, at 13:36, Barry Hadder <bhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m not understanding many of the issues you brought up.  I also think that 
> you left some things out.
> 
> 1.  I am able to interact with an entire chapter with Voiceover.  I could be 
> wrong, but The number of pages shown seems to be strictly visual in my 
> experience.  I have not had to scroll to read a page.
> 2.  I have not experienced the situation where vo sees the store window when 
> it couldn’t access it.
> 3.  I’m not sure what you are referring to in regards to the book cover 
> information.  I am able to access title, author, etc.
> 4.  I find the unlabeled buttons annoying, but it’s not as big a deal as some 
> people seem to think it is.  
> 
> I don’t understand how you missed the problems in the library window.¬  Maybe 
> you did mention it and I just couldn’t read through all of the inspector junk.
> 
> 1.  vo can’t read any book information in the authors view.
> 2.  Vo can’t read any book information in the collections view.
> 3.  Vo can’t read any book information in the categories view.
> 
> Those last three things in my opinion are the bad things.  I have also 
> reported them when it was still in beta.
> 
> 
> On Oct 25, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Greg Kearney <gkear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am reporting the following accessibility issues about iBook for MacOS. Not 
> that in the case of some unreachable controls I have enclosed the 
> Accessibility Inspector information which should aid in correcting theses 
> issues. I would point out that the Accessibility Inspector is able to quickly 
> tell a developer if a control is accessible or not.
> 
> 1. VoiceOver reading of a book does not turn the pages of the books as they 
> are read.
> 
> 2. Book cover images do not have title/author information. This could be 
> corrected by implementing IPTC captions on the images. A work around is to 
> insure that the Show Titles option is in the view menu is set.
> 
> 3. The bookstore is listed as a window even when it is not reachable with 
> VoiceOver
> 
> 4. The book reading window has a number of unlabeled buttons which are as 
> follows:
> 
> Library button
> 
> Hierarchy
>   AXApplication
>       AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
>           AXButton
> Attributes
>   AXRole    AXButton
>   AXRoleDescription    button
>   AXHelp    <nil>
>   AXEnabled    YES
>   AXFocused (W)    NO
>   AXParent    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXWindow    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXTopLevelUIElement    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXPosition    x=291.00 y=68.00
>   AXSize    w=16.00 h=25.00
>   AXTitle    <empty string>
> Actions
>   AXPress
> Warnings And Errors
>   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
> 
> Table of Contents button
> 
> Hierarchy
>   AXApplication
>       AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
>           AXButton
> Attributes
>   AXRole    AXButton
>   AXRoleDescription    button
>   AXHelp    <nil>
>   AXEnabled    YES
>   AXFocused (W)    NO
>   AXParent    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXWindow    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXTopLevelUIElement    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXPosition    x=177.00 y=120.00
>   AXSize    w=20.00 h=25.00
>   AXTitle    <empty string>
> Actions
>   AXPress
> Warnings And Errors
>   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
> 
> Notes Button
> 
> Hierarchy
>   AXApplication
>       AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
>           AXButton
> Attributes
>   AXRole    AXButton
>   AXRoleDescription    button
>   AXHelp    <nil>
>   AXEnabled    YES
>   AXFocused (W)    NO
>   AXParent    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXWindow    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXTopLevelUIElement    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXPosition    x=208.00 y=120.00
>   AXSize    w=20.00 h=25.00
>   AXTitle    <empty string>
> Actions
>   AXPress
> Warnings And Errors
>   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
> 
> Type setting button
> 
> Hierarchy
>   AXApplication
>       AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
>           AXButton
> Attributes
>   AXRole    AXButton
>   AXRoleDescription    button
>   AXHelp    <nil>
>   AXEnabled    YES
>   AXFocused (W)    NO
>   AXParent    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXWindow    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXTopLevelUIElement    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXPosition    x=1011.00 y=120.00
>   AXSize    w=29.00 h=25.00
>   AXTitle    <empty string>
> Actions
>   AXPress
> Warnings And Errors
>   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
> 
> Find button
> 
> Hierarchy
>   AXApplication
>       AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
>           AXButton
> Attributes
>   AXRole    AXButton
>   AXRoleDescription    button
>   AXHelp    <nil>
>   AXEnabled    YES
>   AXFocused (W)    NO
>   AXParent    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXWindow    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXTopLevelUIElement    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXPosition    x=1011.00 y=120.00
>   AXSize    w=29.00 h=25.00
>   AXTitle    <empty string>
> Actions
>   AXPress
> Warnings And Errors
>   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
> 
> Add/Remove bookmark button
> 
> Hierarchy
>   AXApplication
>       AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
>           AXButton
> Attributes
>   AXRole    AXButton
>   AXRoleDescription    button
>   AXHelp    <nil>
>   AXEnabled    YES
>   AXFocused (W)    NO
>   AXParent    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXWindow    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXTopLevelUIElement    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXPosition    x=1081.00 y=120.00
>   AXSize    w=11.00 h=25.00
>   AXTitle    <empty string>
> Actions
>   AXPress
> Warnings And Errors
>   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
> 
> Bookmark list button
> 
> Hierarchy
>   AXApplication
>       AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
>           AXButton
> Attributes
>   AXRole    AXButton
>   AXRoleDescription    button
>   AXHelp    <nil>
>   AXEnabled    YES
>   AXFocused (W)    NO
>   AXParent    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXWindow    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXTopLevelUIElement    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXPosition    x=1097.00 y=120.00
>   AXSize    w=9.00 h=25.00
>   AXTitle    <empty string>
> Actions
>   AXPress
> Warnings And Errors
>   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
> 
> 
> The delete bookmark “X” in the bookmark list is unable.
> 
> Hierarchy
>   AXApplication
>       AXWindow:AXStandardWindow
>           AXButton
> Attributes
>   AXRole    AXButton
>   AXRoleDescription    button
>   AXHelp    <nil>
>   AXEnabled    YES
>   AXFocused (W)    NO
>   AXParent    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXWindow    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXTopLevelUIElement    <AXWindow:AXStandardWindow>
>   AXPosition    x=1097.00 y=120.00
>   AXSize    w=9.00 h=25.00
>   AXTitle    <empty string>
> Actions
>   AXPress
> Warnings And Errors
>   Missing value for AXTitle, AXDescription, or AXTitleUIElement
> 
> 
> Gregory Kearney | Manager Accessible Media
> Association for the Blind of WA - Guide Dogs WA
> PO Box 101, Victoria Park WA 6979 | 61 Kitchener Ave, Victoria Park WA 6100
> Tel: 08 9311 8246 | Fax: 08 9361 8696 | www.guidedogswa.com.au
> Tel: 307-224-4022 (North America)
> Email: greg.kear...@guidedogswa.com.au
> Email: gkear...@gmail.com
> 
> Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right 
> includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive 
> and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of 
> frontiers.
> Article 19 of the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights
> 
> 
> 
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