April,

Hmm since you are having problems with typing with your hands. Have you looked 
to I think called sticky keys? Just an idea and I never looked into it. Have 
you looked into special keyboards. Also, have you tried or used a Perkins keys 
for braille? Just some ideas. But if you have already considered these, please 
disregard those ideas.

I for one am 29, and I have stiffness in my hands, especially my left hand. 
Holding shift and hitting keys q, w, z, x, and the number rols, tab keys and 
the keys on the right side I can’t hit on a typical typing fashion. And when my 
hands get cold I find it very very hard to type or flex my fingers and sign in 
American Sign Laguage.

So, I really do hope you can find a solution. 
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 8, 2014, at 5:58 AM, April Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Daniel,
> 
>       I understand totally.  Speaking and listening are exhausting to me.  
> Which is one reason VoiceOver will be so difficult to learn.  My State 
> Representative thinks I'd do good for call center from home.    Yeah.  I 
> comprehend about 1 word out of 10 from  most people.  And lately sales reps 
> on the phone have been so hyper auctioneer fast, that after telling them to 
> slow down three times, I often have to give up.
> 
>       The main reason I need Dictation to work, is my fingers don't work well 
> on the keyboard anymore.  Even though I hear the letters pressed, half don't 
> show up, or sometimes, odd letters end up in the middle of words that I know 
> I didn't push.  And yeah.  My jaw hurt from spending the day trying to get 
> Dictation to work yesterday.
> 
>       As for my writing, I write young adult adventure novels, with little to 
> no romance.  I also have a cookbook and a memory loss workbook.  Planning to 
> self publish soon, though waiting on a novel in a contest.
> 
> Have a great day!
> 
> April
> 
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 7:31:23 PM UTC-5, Daniel Hawkins wrote:
> Welcome to the list!
> 
> I am too am blind, pretty much went completely blind since last year. I’m 
> considered profoundly deaf and wear a digital hearing aid and I can hear my 
> Mac and iPhone thru my bluetooth device called a Phonak Compilot. So I 
> understand your frustration. Expecially learning Voiceover. I got my Mac 
> since last March and I had zero experience with Apple. Everything I learned 
> was thru just randomly typing the keyboard and reading help menu and from 
> what others said. I tried several times calling the Apple accessabilty 
> hotline, and they are not very knowledgeable.
> 
> I for one do not use dictation because i don’t hear and speak that well. And 
> by now you probably can tell my grammar is horrible. My english was never was 
> good.
> 
> I am right now am trying to type up a book and have no clue what to do. My 
> grammar is so bad,  will need a serious editor. So I can understand about 
> editing using a screenreader and no braille display. Just recently I just 
> completed grade 1 braille, so I am going to get a braille display soon. So 
> hopefully I can edit better.
> 
> I’m courious, what novels do you write?
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
> 
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
> 
> Dual Boot:
> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
> 
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 12:30 PM, April Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>>       Thanks for letting me know.  I thought dictation was supposed to be 
>> for full dictation, instead it's a helper program which is okay.
>> 
>>       I've looked at the Applevis site some.  I haven't done any of the 
>> videos or podcasts as most of those speak too fast for me to comprehend. 
>> 
>>        I wouldn't try Dragon again.  I think it was installed over 20 times 
>> on three different windows machines. One day when my eye hurt so bad I 
>> couldn't keep it open, I looked up and the only thing it had on the screen 
>> was a pop-up asking me if I wanted to uninstall Windows.  So apparently my 
>> voice is too strange for Dragon.  They also say I had to reinstall Windows 
>> several times because Dragon would crash it to the point where it wouldn't 
>> even turn on. I will keep looking though. Once I learn Braille well enough 
>> there are Braille displays that can be used.
>> 
>> Thanks, I won't feel like I'm doing it wrong now.
>> 
>> April
>> 
>> On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
>> Welcome to the list.
>> 
>> Dictation on the Mac is not meant to be a keyboard replacement across the 
>> board - there is no way to teach it new words or enter alternative modes to 
>> get it to input numbers instead of words. If dictation is your primary means 
>> of interacting with the computer, you might want to look into paid solutions 
>> like Dragon Naturally Speaking. Unfortunately, I have no experience with 
>> Dragon so cannot say how well it will work with Voiceover or Zoom.
>> 
>> As for Voiceover training, it is quite a learning curve, to be sure. I'd 
>> first go towww.applevis.com where you will find podcasts and guides on all 
>> things Voiceover for the Mac and iOS. They also offer app entries which 
>> discuss apps from an accessibility perspective. Most visually impaired Apple 
>> users consider this to be an indispensable resource.
>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 11:05 AM, April Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am legally blind, and wear a hearing aid, among other health problems.  
>>> In this cold my fingers are not able to use the keyboard at all.  
>>> 
>>> I am trying to learn the dictation program and having difficultly.  I 
>>> bought my new Mac mini about three weeks ago.  In general, dictation works 
>>> well in e-mail and social media. There are some words it cannot seem to 
>>> understand no matter what and other words it gets part of time.
>>> 
>>> I did contact Apple customer support chat system, as well as have had one 
>>> on one training on Saturday.  It seems, that my issues with dictation are 
>>> unknown, and I was told I wrote too much.  It also seems that the store 
>>> representatives do not have much training in VoiceOver or dictation.  Also 
>>> the person I spoke with him a chat did not have much training in them 
>>> either. I attempted to call the one 800 number. However it was playing hard 
>>> rock music that hurt my ear. After six minutes I gave up and contacted the 
>>> chatline. I don't comprehend spoken very well. Even though I'm going blind 
>>> I still comprehend written better. Yes I'm learning braille, that's a slow 
>>> process to
>>> 
>>> I am also a writer. As a writer I typically write novels, and a typical 
>>> 80,000 word novel might be 300 doublespaced pages.  I am finding that in 
>>> the Pages program, if the document is over 20 pages long, Dictation crashes 
>>> and I cannot reopen even in social media.  Currently, I am dictating in a 
>>> smaller document, and then copying and pasting it over into the main 
>>> document.
>>> 
>>> I am also noticing some other odd glitches. Frequently after a comma, 
>>> Dictation capitalizes the next word as if it were in a new sentence.  I am 
>>> also not sure how to get it to recognize some names.  It never gets them 
>>> right.
>>> 
>>> I also have to learn VoiceOver eventually. Just looking at the training on 
>>> that has overwhelmed me.  
>>> 
>>> How best to work with dictation in Pages, and editing it, so that I don't 
>>> look like I don't know how to spell or what words mean?
>>> 
>>> Most people who know me consider me rather computer savvy. However, since 
>>> trying to learn how to use some of these programs, I don't feel like I have 
>>> any computer knowledge. For me, reformatting a hard drive is easy. Though, 
>>> before long, I will no longer be able to see to do so. All these tech terms 
>>> I just can't seem to understand are confusing me.  It may be possible that 
>>> some of them are just different terms than what I call something.  
>>> 
>>> On anyone who follows writers, agents, and editors on Twitter has seen the 
>>> ridicule that they happily dish out regularly on someone who makes a 
>>> grammar or spelling mistake.  The thing is, many days I can't see the 
>>> errors that dictation makes. I can't correct them, if I can't see them. And 
>>> once you've been ridiculed a few times by the industry standard people, no 
>>> one will take me, or my work seriously.   They commonly say, if there is a 
>>> single error in your writing, any novel you write will be lazy and poorly 
>>> constructed.  It's a bit paralyzing. I have to learn how to use these 
>>> programs so that I can continue writing and eventually be published. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
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>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> [email protected]
>> 
>> 
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