no, I am not. Some of their website pages are really difficult to navigate on a 
mac.

Do you have the subscribe address?

-eric

On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi,
> Are you actually on googles accessibility list?
> I am sure those on the list would appreciate knowing about the problem.
> Karen
> 
> On Fri, 14 Feb 2014, eric oyen wrote:
> 
>> in Basic html, it isn't there. I can't even get there in standard mode (too 
>> many secondary navigation areas and then being kicked back to the top). Even 
>> the web item rotor for OS X (voiceover) doesn't function correctly in 
>> standard html mode. I have to try in Item chooser and then voiceover crashes 
>> because there are too many elements in the browser to process. THis last I 
>> gleaned from reading the console system messages.
>> 
>> -eric
>> 
>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 4:15 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
>> 
>>> It has been a couple years since I found and changed the setting. At that 
>>> time, it was in the same area where one selects IMAP or POP3.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: [email protected]
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Feb 2014, at 23:49, eric oyen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> unfortunately,
>>>> the standard view gets very confusing on Safari in OS X. Also, I can't 
>>>> seem to get into settings from there and a lot of the features available 
>>>> in standard view are simply not visible in basic html mode. I have sent 
>>>> emails to googles support team until I am blue in the face and the problem 
>>>> still has not been fixed. what do I have to do? Sue these guys just to get 
>>>> their attention? Unlike a lot of others in the US., I am not one to file a 
>>>> suit at the drop of a hat (its far too much work and stress for any 
>>>> beneficial payoff).
>>>> 
>>>> -eric
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 3:15 AM, Chris H wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> David and all I cannot find this setting. Do I need to be using the 
>>>>> standard view to see this setting?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards Chris
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14/02/2014 10:04, David Chittenden wrote:
>>>>>> You need to go into Gmail preferences on the Gmail website and change 
>>>>>> the archive permanently deleted items to unselected. The default is for 
>>>>>> this to be selected.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>>>> Email: [email protected]
>>>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 Feb 2014, at 21:16, eric oyen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> hmmm. Every time I have tried to permanently delete something from 
>>>>>>> GMAIL, it always comes back (my trash folder has well over 10,000 
>>>>>>> entries in it right now). I use imap here with mail.app so that my 
>>>>>>> emails that I want aren't stored locally.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How do you get gmail to permanently delete something and actually not 
>>>>>>> have it remain stored in all mail )or anywhere else) without having to 
>>>>>>> use the web interface?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> No unfortunately I permanently deleted them from the gmail. They 
>>>>>>>> should be in all mail but are gone. I didn't delete anything from all 
>>>>>>>> mail just permanently deleted my sent and trash folders. Praying that 
>>>>>>>> a Time Machine restore might still have them, as they should but can't 
>>>>>>>> figure out time machine.
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 14, 2014, at 2:05 AM, eric oyen <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> they are probably either still in all mail or over in trash. they can 
>>>>>>>>> be moved from folder to folder pretty easily. So long as it hasn't 
>>>>>>>>> been 30 days since you last deleted anything, they should still be 
>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -eric
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:24 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Oh God, I think I just realized why my messages are missing in the 
>>>>>>>>>> folders where I had everything labeled/archived. I deleted 
>>>>>>>>>> permanently in gmail all my sent messages as there was 10,000 and I 
>>>>>>>>>> am always emailing myself stuff and then apply a label and put the 
>>>>>>>>>> email in the proper folder. Phone numbers account log ins. Am I 
>>>>>>>>>> assuming correctly that the deleting of the sent mail folder also 
>>>>>>>>>> overrode the label and folder I had moved the message in to? If this 
>>>>>>>>>> is the case I am totally screwed as I had a ton of stuff saved. If 
>>>>>>>>>> this is the case then this gmail problem with Mavericks totally 
>>>>>>>>>> screwed me. Not sure why an email that I moved to folder a placed a 
>>>>>>>>>> label on it would only be in the sent mail folder, you would think 
>>>>>>>>>> placing a label on it or archiving it to a folder in gmail whatever 
>>>>>>>>>> they want to call it would take it out of the sent mail folder. Can 
>>>>>>>>>> someone let me know if I totally screwed myself by deleting the 
>>>>>>>>>> thousands of messages in the sent mail folder. I hope I am wrong,
>>>>> but considering I checked the gmail app on the iPhone and the messages I 
>>>>> labeled and archived are gone from there to, I think I screwed myself.
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