Hi, [jot] Thanks about comments Tim!. My comments below ... ________________________________ From: ext Tim Samoff [mailto:sam...@gmail.com] Sent: 16 November, 2009 17:36 To: List for community development; Dave Neary; Tikka Jarmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki) Subject: Re: URGENT! Updating the info for flashing
Seriously, this is all SO confusing (and always has been) for regular (i.e., Not dev) users. Regular users should never havek to visit a "download" page, let alone a wiki page if they don't want to. [jot] Our Flasher-3.5 tools is dveloper tool only. As I wrote in announcement (http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_flasher-3-5_tool_final_for_fremantle_and_diablo_released/) it may be that also technology oriented end-users use them but thery really are not for regular end user. [jot] I have proposed that someone should implement very simple GUI (with Qt or Python so that same GUI works in Linux, Windows and Mac) that I could include to the instalaltion package. Only after that flasher tools can be considered as end-user tool. A CD should be included in the device package that contains installable GUI "device management" apps for Linux, Windows, and Mac. These apps should have an auto-update preference (on launch, every week/month/whatever). The app should not only recognize the current device firmware version, but be able to download and install a new one if needed. It should also be able to perform the same bakup/restore functionality that the device does... [jot] Maybe this (automatic download of image file) could be added to the flasher GUI... We anyhow have implemented this already for Eclipse IDE (we have GUI wizard for flasher in Eclipse IDE) so you can check from Eclipse how to implement that for end users. I know you all have an iPhone/Pod or have used one before. All of this stuff should be brainless and require very little documentation at all. Especially, not documentation about a 770 flasher for Mac, when most new N900 users won't even know what "770" or "N8xx" (or even "WiMAX") means -- all of this is on the top of the wiki page. [jot] No much comments for thie. I am responsible of developer environment but somebody else is responsible of end-user environment for platform/devices. Anyway... Just my two cents. And, I know I'm jumping into this conversation late (or, early, if we start talking about Harmattan). [jot] A lot can still be done to Fremantle while waiting Harmattan... Cheers, //Jarmo Tim -- http://samoff.com ----- Original message ----- > Hi Jarmo, > > jarmo.ti...@nokia.com<mailto:jarmo.ti...@nokia.com> wrote: > > The link to the flashers is still http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php > > which looks very similar to the maemo-dev-env-downloads.php page. > > > > [jot] This link is valid only for Nokia 770 users. N8x0 and N900 users will > > get their flasher-3.5 from official Maemo Development Environment Downloads > > page here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php > > It's quite confusing them, since the link just says "Linux, MacOS X > flashers" > > > > The link to maemo-dev-env-downloads.php says "Maemo 4.1.2 Diablo kernel > > > patch and new kernel image for USB Networking on Windows, ver 0.4" - is > > > that correct? > > > > [jot] Yes this is correct and official Diablo fix for development > > environment. > > Diablo device kernel needs to be updated USB Networking to function with > > Windows host PC. This is generic bug in Linux kernel (version Diablo has by > > default) that got fixed to kernel upstream and that I back ported to Diablo. > > [jot] Fremantle version of kernel includes this fix by default. > > I think the link should include something about "Including utilities for > reflashing firmware" or something similar. > > > [jot] We should remove other than Nokia 770 flashers from that d3 page (and > > put them here http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/old-maemo-dev-env-downloads.php). > > At least change the link so that it says "Flashers for Nokia 770" > instead of just flashers? Perhaps organise the page so that all the N900 > stuff is up top, and the rest is underneath in a "Legacy firmare & > tools" section? > > Cheers, > Dave. > > -- > maemo.org docsmaster > Email: dne...@maemo.org<mailto:dne...@maemo.org> > Jabber: bo...@jabber.org<mailto:bo...@jabber.org> > > _______________________________________________ > maemo-community mailing list > maemo-community@maemo.org<mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org> > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community
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