Jeremiah, Thanks for your message and invitation. The new Maemo Council will consider your comments and we'll get back to you soon.
Rob Bauer On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Jeremiah C. Foster < jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 02:55:13PM -0700, Tim Samoff wrote: > > Hello! > > I'd like to say to the Maemo Council, old and new, that there is an > excellent way to move Maemo forward. Not just as a legacy operating > system for Nokia devices, but even for newer devices. That way > forward is through Debian. > > Debian has the advantage of being non-commercial and completely open > from beginning to end. It hosts infrastructure, build farms, mailing > lists and IRC which maemo.org can use. Most importantly, decisions > made in Debian will not be undermined by shifting commercial interests > that do not take into consideration the investment of individual > developers. > > Many Debian developers have N900s and would be happy to see more Maemo > devs in their midst. There are also Debian developers who have joined > Maemo and contributed directly to Maemo since Maemo is buit on Debian, > so the two communities are linked. To strengthen that link, I'd like > to ask everyone on this list to participate here: > http://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo > > That is the entry place for Debian developers and users to get > involved in Maemo. I think the council has a responsibility to make > sure that page is up to date and well taken care of. I'm currently > listed as the contact person, but I think someone from the council > would be much better at that position. I kindly request that the council > consider taking on this responsibility. > > I'd also like to ask the council members, in fact everyone from the > Maemo community, to consider joining the Debian-derivatives mailing > list. You can do so by going to the Debian Derivatives Front Desk: > http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk > > I'm on that mailing list as is the current Debian Project Leader who > has worked very hard with other Debian Developers to create a vibrant > resource for derivatives to contribute to Debian and for Debian to > contribute to derivatives. This cooperation is very important and > works to enocurage the health of the overall Debian community. > > Thanks for caring about Maemo and Open Source software in general and > I hope to see everyone on debian-derivatives. > > > Regards, > > Jeremiah > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > Sorry for the delay in meeting minutes. I want to tank everyone who > > attended. As you'll see, the attendance list only includes those who > > are/were members of the Maemo Community Council. But, I really > > appreciate the others who graced us with their presence. > > > > This meeting ended up being almost two-hours long (one hour longer than > > intended and an hour after I had to leave). This being said, I don't > > know if I adequately included all of the important points from the > > meeting below. If you're interested, it would be best to read the > > meeting transcript[1] yourself. > > > > In Attendance... > > > > Outgoing Council: > > * Andrew Flegg (Jaffa) > > * Tim Samoff (timsamoff) > > * Attila Chipa (achipa) - beginning at 1650 UTC > > > > Incoming Council: > > * Alan Bruce (qole) > > * RM Bauer (SD69) > > * Felipe Crochik (fcrochik) > > * Attila Chipa (achipa) - beginning at 1650 UTC > > > > Agenda/Notes: > > 1. Introductions > > > > * Call for new Council to choose a Chair (this will be accomplished this > > week via the council@ email address). > > > > 2. What was done during last term > > > > * The legal ownership of maemo.org was handed over to the community, > > with Nemein (Henri Bergius as main point of contact) managing it on our > > behalf. There are now only three members of the maemo.org team, all > > part-time. X-Fade (Niels Breet) webmaster; Andre Klapper (andre) > > bugmaster; Reggie Suplido (Reggie) talkmaster. Nemein have further > > budget which equates to one full time person. > > > > * The Council was involved in the sponsorship of people for the MeeGo > > Conference from a "handset" background. > > > > * The Council sponsored the Maemo 5 Community SSU; providing support & > > advice to MohammadAG; dealing with the thread on bugs.maemo.org and > > helping triage the bugs (j.mp/communityssu-bugs). > > > > * Passed on a refresh license change request queue request from > > DocScrutinizer & jonwil to Quim. > > > > * Asked Tero (tekojo) about maemo.org funding, given the concern voiced > > from the community after Feb 11th. > > > > * Held a brainstorm redux meeting with the maemo.org team to work out > > how the Maemo Brainstorm items were progressing. > > > > * More work on community bug reporting process, liaising with Qt > > maintainers around Qt versions in Extras-devel, and liaising with Forum > > Nokia folks who are doing Qt hotfixes. > > > > * Ramped up efforts to keep Council visible via Council blog on m.o. > > > > 3. What was not done during last term > > > > * Getting a handle on the maemo.org staff & Nemein. Despite committing > > to come up with a community involvement process (to help lighten their > > workload), it's often a black hole. Problems need to be chased sometimes > > to supp...@nemein.com email address to raise a ticket in their internal > > system. > > > > * Andre is still doing lots of work in Bugzilla triaging bugs both for > > the CSSU and Extras projects. > > > > * Niels is still helping to set up the Community OBS which can be used > > for MeeGo, Fremantle and Harmattan; but there's no clearly communicated > > plan for transitioning to it from the autobuilder, but the committed-to > > donations system for maemo.org/downloads hasn't been worked on at all; > > nor is there any documentation about the structure (AFAICT) of maemo.org > . > > > > * Council/Community should have a root access process concerning admin > > and maintenance of maemo.org, but the details are still up in the air. > > > > * Council isn't involved in MeeGo Conf sponsorship decisions for SF in > May. > > > > * Justify the Council (the new Council needs to figure out of they are > > the last Council or not; how the Q2 Council may differ from preceding > ones). > > > > 4. Past Council reflections/comments > > > > * There's increasing pressure from the MeeGo community, and some > > Intelians, that Nokia *don't* get an exception to call Harmattan MeeGo. > > This might put a big spanner in the works for the Harmattan community. > > > > * Development and marketing of the CSSU needs to ramp up and become much > > more organized. > > > > * Thoughts about the Maemo Community shrinking over the next year or > > so... So, the Council will have to be quite vocal in organizing > > community efforts (site maintenance, app dev, etc.). > > > > > > 5. New Council comments/questions > > > > * Many questions about Council Chair, m.o root access, funded employees > > of m.o, CSSU, etc. Most of these questions are, as yet, unanswered. > > > > * Questions about "friendliness" and cooperation between Maemo and > > MeeGo, of which the outgoing Council answered "yes." > > > > * Talk of the Community OBS. X-Fade and lbt are the folks involved, and > > there've been some comms about it on meego-* mailing lists. > > > > * Comments about the Council taking on a bridging role between > > forum.meego.com and talk.maemo.org. > > > > * Has there been discussion about open source activities around next > > Nokia device? Not yet. There are two schools of thought - it's a > > dead-end, don't bother OR we can make it such a success that Nokia's > > board reconsiders their medium-term plans... > > > > * It will be tricky getting a centralized forum for the Harmattan > > community. It was hard enough with t.m.o. and the mailing lists, and no > > one has a clear vision about a "Harmattan Community." Should maemo.org > > just assume to be the place for the Harmattan community forum? Meego.com > > forums are a no-go, at least that was dawn/quim's stance a while back. > > The question is why exactly do we need another forum? Just because of > > the name? It might also become obvious once it's clear if harmattan will > > be "marketed" as Maemo 6, meego or something completely new. > > > > * Do we have any "hard figures" on how the community has changed since > > the beginning of Mmeego? > > > > * More questions about the maemo.org infrastructure and how it will > > continue. Neiman will play an important role in this. > > > > [1] > > > http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2011-03-26.log.html > > _______________________________________________ > > maemo-community mailing list > > maemo-community@maemo.org > > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community > > > _______________________________________________ > maemo-community mailing list > maemo-community@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-community >
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